Chicago White Sox Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 07:54 AM) Which is why I think people are just looking far into his tweets. Whitesoxdave said he he had nothing; only rumors which are probably speculation hes been seeing at sites like this one. I think it's pretty obvious that he's gone, given he removed all the White Sox related stuff (picture, bio) from his account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 08:54 AM) Which is why I think people are just looking far into his tweets. Whitesoxdave said he he had nothing; only rumors which are probably speculation hes been seeing at sites like this one. Dave also said he couldn’t get any info from his sources and that they were being tight lipped. So something could be up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 08:17 AM) I think it's pretty obvious that he's gone, given he removed all the White Sox related stuff (picture, bio) from his account. I would think so. I looked at his Twitter when the thread was created, and after WSD mentioned the non tender possibility. He still had Southside 2B on there, so it isn't like the rumor came from that removal.Maybe just a coincidence, but it would be quite a coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I don't understand the urgency to do it right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 10:10 AM) I don't understand the urgency to do it right now. Like I've said and heard before, the CBA uncertainty is why you're seeing more moves this early into free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I'm guessing they let him know that they aren't planning on tendering him but probably won't do it until the deadline to tender/non-tender players. Probably try to move him up until then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 10:44 AM) I'm guessing they let him know that they aren't planning on tendering him but probably won't do it until the deadline to tender/non-tender players. Probably try to move him up until then. Lose pretty much all leverage if they do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 09:10 AM) I don't understand the urgency to do it right now. Maybe he was planning on buying a house in Chicago, asked for assurance that he will still be on the team and Hahn or whoever told him that they were going a different direction this offseason and that he would be with a new team either via trade or non-tendering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 11:47 AM) Lose pretty much all leverage if they do so. Wouldn't expect even a decent return for him anyway. Probably similar to what we gave up which a team could do rather than try to negotiate with him and possibly have him sign somewhere else. Edited November 13, 2016 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I've seen some speculation that this could be related to him somewhat blaming the Sox for his injuries on twitter. And his recent tweet kind of fits into that narrative. Personally, I just don't think there's much interest in him at $5M and the Sox have plans for his roster spot prior to the tender deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 If true I wonder if his injuries are more serious then we have been told. If he is healthy again I think a release is a bad move. He is a good team player with lots of rah-rah, which is good to have when tying to motivate people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 12:50 AM) Find it hard to believe that they'd trade for Lawrie with his injuries but it's an interesting thought. Something more has to be cooking since a non tender announcement is pretty standard, unless I'm incorrect in that line of thought. They're the Dodgers, that's what they do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Well, Zack Erwin was terrible in the low minors last year and although JB Wendelken made the big leagues in the Oakland pen he had an ERA near 10, so still a ways to go for this trade to be a complete failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 12, 2016 -> 10:16 PM) Lawrie is the type of player that a rebuilding team signs to see if he can pick up value and be traded. Seems weird to cut him unless there's something about his injuries that suggests the few million he'll earn will certainly be squandered Agreed. HE could get hot in June and July and a contender could need a middle infielder. And if you are going for it, he's pretty serviceable at 2b. Weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 05:44 PM) Agreed. HE could get hot in June and July and a contender could need a middle infielder. And if you are going for it, he's pretty serviceable at 2b. Weird. Worth adding that there have been whispers of "attitude issues" of some sort since he came up in Torotno? I'll admit that I was surprised how rapidly Oakland parted with him, so maybe there's something to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) He was put in orthotics this year according to his Twitter. He says that although his feet felt fine, the orthotics were th reason for his injury. I have the flatest feet in the world, and orthotics have been a godsend for me, but if you don't really need them, they can mess you up. Edited November 13, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 04:48 PM) Worth adding that there have been whispers of "attitude issues" of some sort since he came up in Torotno? I'll admit that I was surprised how rapidly Oakland parted with him, so maybe there's something to that? HE seems very in your face, which is great when you are winning but I can see it getting old when you are losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 My guess is they told him they intend on non-tendering him when they have to. No reason make if official now. Still odd that nobody would take a flyer on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 05:12 PM) HE seems very in your face, which is great when you are winning but I can see it getting old when you are losing. Yup. Now will likely be his 4th team in 4 years. That's never a good thing if you want certain rumors about you to go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 If you are rebuilding, wouldnt keeping a young player who is affordable be part of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:25 AM) If you are rebuilding, wouldnt keeping a young player who is affordable be part of that? Who is more likely to put up 1.5 war by July 1st, a healthier and cheaper Saladino or Lawrie at less than 100%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:27 AM) Who is more likely to put up 1.5 war by July 1st, a healthier and cheaper Saladino or Lawrie at less than 100%? Do we know that Saladino is healthy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 If this is pretty much official, it is the first domino in a rebuild. It isn't like Lawrie was due a ton of money. It isn't like Saldino has been the picture of health during his career and is actually older than him. I liked his energy, and power. everything considered, it probably isn't a huge loss because he had the one year anyway. But I don't think I would have punted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:36 AM) Do we know that Saladino is healthy? I imagine the White Sox know. But he seems to get injured more than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:27 AM) Who is more likely to put up 1.5 war by July 1st, a healthier and cheaper Saladino or Lawrie at less than 100%? Lawrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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