hi8is Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 02:45 PM) Anyone think the Mets could have interest in Robertson or Jones? A lot of people will have interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 04:47 PM) A lot of people will have interest. ... In poop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 08:16 AM) I've heard the market for Robertson described as "ice cold." Sox aren't getting anything of significance for Robertson. Which to me means, why even try. Just wait until the deadline..see if he kicks butt and if he does, you can get more for him. It isn't like payroll is a major issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:16 AM) I've heard the market for Robertson described as "ice cold." Sox aren't getting anything of significance for Robertson. Well that sucks. Might as well hold onto him and hope he does well next year so he can be flipped at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:21 AM) Agreed. Sox best course of action is to let Robertson rebuild his value and trade Jones and his incredible contract now. I kind of expected him to be here on opening day all along. Rebuild that value and get dealt in June or July if not sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:18 AM) Which to me means, why even try. Just wait until the deadline..see if he kicks butt and if he does, you can get more for him. It isn't like payroll is a major issue. Yep. Hold him. You have two years with him. Bet on a rebound, and then someone will have to pay up instead of buying low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:21 AM) Agreed. Sox best course of action is to let Robertson rebuild his value and trade Jones and his incredible contract now. Do you think it's likely that Jones is moved this offseason? Like you said, they might as well move Jones now while his value is sky high and wait for DRob to get back to the way he was before last season and flip him to a desperate team next trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:24 AM) Do you think it's likely that Jones is moved this offseason? Like you said, they might as well move Jones now while his value is sky high and wait for DRob to get back to the way he was before last season and flip him to a desperate team next trade deadline. Robertson will have more value at the deadline, especially if he has a strong season up until that point. Walks killed him last season, and if he can reduce his BB/9 rate he should be just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:24 AM) Do you think it's likely that Jones is moved this offseason? Like you said, they might as well move Jones now while his value is sky high and wait for DRob to get back to the way he was before last season and flip him to a desperate team next trade deadline. I know you asked Rabbit (it's opinionated anyway) but in my opinion I'm gonna say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:24 AM) Do you think it's likely that Jones is moved this offseason? Like you said, they might as well move Jones now while his value is sky high and wait for DRob to get back to the way he was before last season and flip him to a desperate team next trade deadline. Jones would be able to bring a return similar to Tyler Thornburg I'd imagine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:33 AM) I know you asked Rabbit (it's opinionated anyway) but in my opinion I'm gonna say no. But why? Unless the market for him just isn't there, I find it highly unlikely that Jones will ever be worth more than he is right now. The Sox need to take advantage of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:40 AM) But why? Unless the market for him just isn't there, I find it highly unlikely that Jones will ever be worth more than he is right now. The Sox need to take advantage of that. The market for bullpen help might be better at the deadline that it will be in the offseason. When a contender can sniff the playoffs, pen arms are always a hot commodity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 It doesn't seem like there is a large market of teams selling out to win right now. That will change at deadline. I would love to know if Sox feel regret holding onto Drob at deadline last year after seeing his market this offseason or if it was largely the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:40 AM) But why? Unless the market for him just isn't there, I find it highly unlikely that Jones will ever be worth more than he is right now. The Sox need to take advantage of that. Takes two to make a deal. It's easy for us to say he should be dealt for a haul but you also have to find the team willing to deal the haul. Edited December 19, 2016 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) It doesn't seem like there is a large market of teams selling out to win right now. That will change at deadline. I would love to know if Sox feel regret holding onto Drob at deadline last year after seeing his market this offseason or if it was largely the same. Washington seemed like the biggest one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:53 AM) Sox were trying to compete last year, they weren't looking to trade their top reliever. They traded Duke, and by all reports had discussed Sale even for a comical price. I can't imagine they didn't hear any offers on Robertson. They were 8 games back of the wild card on August 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 08:21 AM) Agreed. Sox best course of action is to let Robertson rebuild his value and trade Jones and his incredible contract now. I agree. I actually think putting Jones in the closer role would have had more downside then upside. We all know there are certain players who just can't close (for whatever reason) and if Jones had a few bad outings, it could have hindered his trade value a lot more then the potential upside from a solid couple months (imo). Jones value should be high, the only real question is how much of a negative in trade value is his injury history. Jones is very high on my list of guys we should move now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 11:24 AM) I agree. I actually think putting Jones in the closer role would have had more downside then upside. We all know there are certain players who just can't close (for whatever reason) and if Jones had a few bad outings, it could have hindered his trade value a lot more then the potential upside from a solid couple months (imo). Jones value should be high, the only real question is how much of a negative in trade value is his injury history. Jones is very high on my list of guys we should move now. With what relievers are being traded for, I would rather see him moved that Quintana. Starters will always have high value, set up men? I find it hard to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:16 AM) I've heard the market for Robertson described as "ice cold." Sox aren't getting anything of significance for Robertson. But Bruce Levine said we could get Robles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 11:32 AM) But Bruce Levine said we could get Robles. I laughed so hard when I saw that article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 11:32 AM) But Bruce Levine said we could get Robles. QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 11:48 AM) I laughed so hard when I saw that article maybe not soo crazy.. Pip 1:18 I've seen multiple people talk about the nationals trading for Robertson, and suggesting they would have to give up Robles. Isn't that insane?! Robertson is teir 3, maybe sometimes a tier 2 closer. Even if the WhiteSox agreed to take on all of his salary, its still so lopsided. Are WhiteSox fans just prospect drunk or do you think there is actually something to it? Dan Szymborski 1:18 I'm not sure it's a crazy in a win-now environment. Robertson is only not tier one if you think 2016 is what he definitely is. The White Sox defense was comically bad in 2015. from Dan's FG chat today Robles for Robertson...yes please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Robles for Robertson is not happening. Honestly, I'm going to trust raBBit on this and believe his market is weak. In that case, move Jones now assuming his market is there and let Robertson rebuild his value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) maybe not soo crazy.. from Dan's FG chat today Robles for Robertson...yes please. Smart people can say crazy things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 If they get Robles for Robertson something is wrong with Robles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 01:07 PM) If they get Robles for Robertson something is wrong with Rizzo. Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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