PolishPrince34 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:47 PM) I feel like Sale gets any prospect in baseball. Sox should identify the one prospect in baseball they want and build from there. Is Urias really the guy? I dunno if that wows me after watching him struggle against the cubs' weak lineup. That's funny ripping a 20 year old pitcher with only 70 innings in the majors because he couldn't handle Cubs in the Playoffs. They couldn't touch him the first 3innings of that game. That 4th inning issue was the error made in LF by Tholes. Didn't get any help from his defense. Urias will be a stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) I feel like Sale gets any prospect in baseball. Sox should identify the one prospect in baseball they want and build from there. Is Urias really the guy? I dunno if that wows me after watching him struggle against the cubs' weak lineup. He's the best pitching prospect in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:11 PM) If ya move Sale and Frazier, it's a full rebuild. No half-ass off-seasons. It's all-in or full blown rebuild. Exactly. You trade them two, you aren't competing next year. Go all out and rebuild this franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 I really don't see Urias involved in a hypothetical Sale/Frazier. I think Friedman holds his ground there. However, I think a package like the following is possible. De Leon Bellinger Verdugo Alvarez Calhoun Barnes Sheffield That's four guys who could help at some point next year, along with three high-upside guys little further out. IMO, that's an absolute haul even if it's lacking that one blue chipper you'd ideally like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:46 PM) I really don't see Urias involved in a hypothetical Sale/Frazier. I think Friedman holds his ground there. However, I think a package like the following is possible. De Leon Bellinger Verdugo Alvarez Calhoun Barnes Sheffield That's four guys who could help at some point next year, along with three high-upside guys little further out. IMO, that's an absolute haul even if it's lacking that one blue chipper you'd ideally like. A Sale trade without the phrase "blue chipper" involved was a failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:46 PM) I really don't see Urias involved in a hypothetical Sale/Frazier. I think Friedman holds his ground there. However, I think a package like the following is possible. De Leon Bellinger Verdugo Alvarez Calhoun Barnes Sheffield That's four guys who could help at some point next year, along with three high-upside guys little further out. IMO, that's an absolute haul even if it's lacking that one blue chipper you'd ideally like. De Leon already 25 ...............Urias in deal or forget it, talks begin with him. Edited November 15, 2016 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) A Sale trade without the phrase "blue chipper" involved was a failure. QUOTE (Soxfest @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:48 PM) De Leon already 25 ...............Urias in deal or forget it, talks begin with him. Yes, exactly. If you do not get Urias, this deal is a complete failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 10:46 PM) I really don't see Urias involved in a hypothetical Sale/Frazier. I think Friedman holds his ground there. However, I think a package like the following is possible. De Leon Bellinger Verdugo Alvarez Calhoun Barnes Sheffield That's four guys who could help at some point next year, along with three high-upside guys little further out. IMO, that's an absolute haul even if it's lacking that one blue chipper you'd ideally like. You absolutely get Urias back or no deal. He can hold whatever ground he wants. He won't get Sale without giving up Urias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) I'm not sold on De Leon. He's a fly ball pitcher which doesn't suit our ballpark. If he's headlining the trade very against it. I believe Bellinger, Verdugo and Alvarez are the stronger prospects with much higher ceilings. Edited November 15, 2016 by PolishPrince34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 10:41 PM) He's the best pitching prospect in baseball. Best or second best. The other guy plays for another team in the Sale sweepstakes, so that's nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 So... serious question... how many of you think this thread will turn into 200+ pages of posts which eventually amount to nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Urias, Bellinger, Verdugo, Lux, Alvarez, and Puig should do it. People, you have to factor in that LA could/will probably offer Frazier a QO after the season too. That alone draws value as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (daggins @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 07:56 PM) Best or second best. The other guy plays for another team in the Sale sweepstakes, so that's nice. Giolato? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 07:57 PM) Urias, Bellinger, Verdugo, Lux, Alvarez, and Puig should do it. People, you have to factor in that LA could/will probably offer Frazier a QO after the season too. That alone draws value as well. I'd be stoked on that package. Move Quintana to Boston then for Benitendi, Kopech, and Groome. How sick would our future look with Urias, Groome, Kopech, Alvarez, Benitendi, Berlinger, Verdugo, Lux, and whatever else we get from eventually flipping Puig. Then move on and trade Robertson, Melky, Jones, Abreu, and even Easton if you can get a haul. It would literally be an unprecedented rebuild. Edited November 15, 2016 by hi8is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 10:57 PM) Giolato? Yah Luke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:57 PM) So... serious question... how many of you think this thread will turn into 200+ pages of posts which eventually amount to nothing. It's probably more possible than most think it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Look, I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it. Regardless, I'm pretty happy with a package built around four BA top 100 prospects (two of which are top 25 guys, another is a top 50), a 20 year old ranked as their #1 prospect by Fangraphs, a 2017 first round comp pick, and a sleeper catching prospect just begging for an opportunity. If Chris Sale wasn't the primary trade piece, I'd feel ridiculous putting all those names in one proposal. Honestly, if blue chippers like Benintendi, Bergman, & Urias are off the table, this is about as good as a deal as we can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 11:04 PM) I'd be stoked on that package. Move Quintana to Boston then for Benitendi, Kopech, and Groome. How sick would our future look with Urias, Groome, Kopech, Alvarez, Benitendi, Berlinger, Verdugo, Lux, and whatever else we get from eventually flipping Puig. Then move on and trade Robertson, Melky, Jones, Abreu, and even Easton if you can get a haul. It would literally be an unprecedented rebuild. I'm very excited to see what this farm system looks like in 2 months...hell could be a few weeks if this heats up like it seems like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:04 PM) I'd be stoked on that package. Move Quintana to Boston then for Benitendi, Kopech, and Groome. How sick would our future look with Urias, Groome, Kopech, Alvarez, Benitendi, Berlinger, Verdugo, Lux, and whatever else we get from eventually flipping Puig. Then move on and trade Robertson, Melky, Jones, Abreu, and even Easton if you can get a haul. It would literally be an unprecedented rebuild. The key really is to move those other 5 guys too for decent pieces, particularly Jones and Eaton. Otherwise, you're just the Dodgers farm system, with 3 Red Sox prospects. We really need to get about 15-18 quality prospects out of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Kinda curious to know what Frazier is adding in these deals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:13 PM) The key really is to move those other 5 guys too for decent pieces, particularly Jones and Eaton. Otherwise, you're just the Dodgers farm system, with 3 Red Sox prospects. We really need to get about 15-18 quality prospects out of this. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 10:16 PM) Kinda curious to know what Frazier is adding in these deals I would guess a top 100 prospect plus a lottery ticket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 11:10 PM) Look, I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it. Regardless, I'm pretty happy with a package built around four BA top 100 prospects (two of which are top 25 guys, another is a top 50), a 20 year old ranked as their #1 prospect by Fangraphs, a 2017 first round comp pick, and a sleeper catching prospect just begging for an opportunity. If Chris Sale wasn't the primary trade piece, I'd feel ridiculous putting all those names in one proposal. Honestly, if blue chippers like Benintendi, Bergman, & Urias are off the table, this is about as good as a deal as we can get. I thought Urias was offered at the deadline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 10:33 PM) I thought Urias was offered at the deadline? http://nypost.com/2016/07/25/dodgers-would...-talks/?0p19G=c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 And to think, Chris Getz is going to suddenly be in charge of developing 12-18 top prospects in the game. Shouldn't they have considered that (the offseason direction) before they named him, that they might need a more seasoned hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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