bmags Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Braves didn't give up much. I know he had a pretty bad year last year but I like move for Braves, who either will catch career years from all or the worst of every one of those guys they acquired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 05:27 PM) Braves didn't give up much. I know he had a pretty bad year last year but I like move for Braves, who either will catch career years from all or the worst of every one of those guys they acquired. Yeah I like the moves they made. That way you don't need to rush arms. But I thought they already enough guys who were at least decent call ups last year who would crack the rotation this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 No idea how Jamie Garcia is worth anything anytime I've seen him pitch he's looked like Danks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 They are collecting the 1 year deal pitchers that's for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 06:27 PM) No idea how Jamie Garcia is worth anything anytime I've seen him pitch he's looked like Danks. He has one bad year in 8 career seasons dude - 2016. He's got a career 3.57 ERA/3.56 FIP/1.28 WHIP/2.6 BB/9 / and one of the better change ups from the left side in the NL. Obviously health has been an issue but this is the market you're looking at for a guy like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 06:29 PM) They are collecting the 1 year deal pitchers that's for sure They want their young starters to earn their spots. These guys on one year deals make them tradeable later in the season or at the very worst, releasing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 06:29 PM) They are collecting the 1 year deal pitchers that's for sure To flip for prospects midseason or try to merely be a .500 team? I know they're opening a new stadium in 2017 but I don't quite understand at this point. They have one of the bigger fanbases in the game so it's not like they'll need to worry about fans showing up once they're legit again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 06:35 PM) To flip for prospects midseason or try to merely be a .500 team? I know they're opening a new stadium in 2017 but I don't quite understand at this point. They have one of the bigger fanbases in the game so it's not like they'll need to worry about fans showing up once they're legit again. They do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 05:28 PM) They do? Well, they do play on the Turner Broadcasting Network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Atlanta fans are awful in all sports. Braves couldn't even sell out playoff games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 07:28 PM) They do? Uhhhh yeah. They basically own the entire Southeast. After the obvious teams (Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Giants, Cubs), they're right there in terms of fans. No, I'm not talking about precious attendance either. I'm talking about viewership. Go anywhere from Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky, Virginia, Florida, the Carolinas - you'll see a lot of Braves gear. Edited December 2, 2016 by Ro Da Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 08:21 PM) Uhhhh yeah. They basically own the entire Southeast. After the obvious teams (Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Giants, Cubs), they're right there in terms of fans. No, I'm not talking about precious attendance either. I'm talking about viewership. And not that it counts but go anywhere from Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky, Virginia, Florida, the Carolinas - you'll see a lot of Braves gear. But you were talking about attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 08:29 PM) But you were talking about attendance. I merely said fans will show up again when they're legit again - compared to 2016 when they were absolute dogs***. I didn't say "the Braves have some of the best attendance, making them one of the biggest fanbases". I just stated they have one of the bigger fanbases after the obvious clubs. Having a large fanbase has nothing to do with attendance when the product is subpar, or if your stadium is in the middle of nowhere, like their new stadium will be. Obviously metropolitan areas will draw better. That doesn't mean they don't have the fanbase. http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/0...ball_teams.html Peep the map. They own the entire Southeast, like I said. Edited December 2, 2016 by Ro Da Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 08:40 PM) I merely said fans will show up again when they're legit again - compared to 2016 when they were absolute dogs***. I didn't say "the Braves have some of the best attendance, making them one of the biggest fanbases". I just stated they have one of the bigger fanbases after the obvious clubs. Having a large fanbase has nothing to do with attendance when the product is subpar, or if your stadium is in the middle of nowhere, like their new stadium will be. Obviously metropolitan areas will draw better. That doesn't mean they don't have the fanbase. http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/0...ball_teams.html Peep the map. They own the entire Southeast, like I said. Wow, if that map included Canada, the White Sox would have the smallest geographical fanbase of any team. Toronto is the only team I don't see represented, but they obviously a big pull in Canada. EDIT: Actually, it looks like Oakland doesn't have a single shaded area. Edited December 2, 2016 by ChiliIrishHammock24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 06:32 PM) He has one bad year in 8 career seasons dude - 2016. He's got a career 3.57 ERA/3.56 FIP/1.28 WHIP/2.6 BB/9 / and one of the better change ups from the left side in the NL. Obviously health has been an issue but this is the market you're looking at for a guy like him. Have you watched him pitch this past year? He pitches to contact and doesn't have anywhere near overpowering stuff much like Danks before he became worthless. 3.57 ERA in the NL is not that impressive. That NL Central division has been weak as hell for a long time as a whole with the exception of one good team here and there like the Cubs recently. Edited December 2, 2016 by soxforlife05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 2, 2016 Author Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) The #Braves still have interest in Chris Sale and Chris Archer, even after adding Colon, Dickey and Garcia. They prefer Sale over Archer. https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/804709193320136704 #Braves are telling teams they're very reluctant to part with Ozzie Albies in any deal. But they're getting lots of hits on 19-year-old IF. https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/804709332608761856 Edited December 2, 2016 by WhiteSoxLifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 11:26 PM) Have you watched him pitch this past year? He pitches to contact and doesn't have anywhere near overpowering stuff much like Danks before he became worthless. 3.57 ERA in the NL is not that impressive. That NL Central division has been weak as hell for a long time as a whole with the exception of one good team here and there like the Cubs recently. That would have been a top 15 era in the NL last year. Perhaps you prefer Andrew Cashners 5 ERAs which still netted him 11 million. They got Garcia for nothing, and are still playing in NL east. Not exactly murderers row outside of Nationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:36 AM) That would have been a top 15 era in the NL last year. Perhaps you prefer Andrew Cashners 5 ERAs which still netted him 11 million. They got Garcia for nothing, and are still playing in NL east. Not exactly murderers row outside of Nationals. They are buying low on Garcia and did not give up much. Pretty low risk deal, but he was pretty awful last season. He gave up way more home runs than at any point in his career, which is concerning. I don't see Atlanta being ready to take the plunge in a Sale deal. With Swanson off the table, I'm not sure Albies and Newcomb are attractive enough as centerpieces to be the offer that comes out on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) They are buying low on Garcia and did not give up much. Pretty low risk deal, but he was pretty awful last season. He gave up way more home runs than at any point in his career, which is concerning. I don't see Atlanta being ready to take the plunge in a Sale deal. With Swanson off the table, I'm not sure Albies and Newcomb are attractive enough as centerpieces to be the offer that comes out on top. I'm not saying it's a game changer, but I think it's a great move for ATL. They are trying to land a big fish but aren't being complacent about acquiring the veteran starting depth that can be easily pushed out if their youngsters prove themselves. They have not come close to compromising their farm yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:47 AM) I'm not saying it's a game changer, but I think it's a great move for ATL. They are trying to land a big fish but aren't being complacent about acquiring the veteran starting depth that can be easily pushed out if their youngsters prove themselves. They have not come close to compromising their farm yet. Atlanta has a ton of pitching prospects as well. They can't all make the mlb roster, so you might as well start moving some of them to build the mlb club up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 10:31 AM) The #Braves still have interest in Chris Sale and Chris Archer, even after adding Colon, Dickey and Garcia. They prefer Sale over Archer. https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/804709193320136704 #Braves are telling teams they're very reluctant to part with Ozzie Albies in any deal. But they're getting lots of hits on 19-year-old IF. https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/804709332608761856 File this in the "no s***" category Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Also - love that Alex Jackson deal even though it's small chance to workout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 2, 2016 Author Share Posted December 2, 2016 Two things: On #Braves starter search. I understand Sale is better than Archer. But the price to acquire him would also be higher. https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/804730871966212096 By engaging on both Sale and Archer, #Braves have shown they're considering all possibilities. (Not so high on Sonny Gray, though). https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/804730938630479873 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:55 AM) Also - love that Alex Jackson deal even though it's small chance to workout. Not a bad buy low move for Atlanta on Jackson, but a player who is hitting around .200 in single A with a ton of strikeouts chances of sniffing the majors are hugely in doubt. I see this more as Seattle dumping Jackson for whatever value they can get before he isn't worth anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 11:29 AM) Not a bad buy low move for Atlanta on Jackson, but a player who is hitting around .200 in single A with a ton of strikeouts chances of sniffing the majors are hugely in doubt. I see this more as Seattle dumping Jackson for whatever value they can get before he isn't worth anything Still has a lot of time to turn it around but you're probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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