GGajewski18 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) We deservedly talk about our pitchers in Sale and Quintana on here and their trade values, but Adam Eaton arguably has the 2nd highest trade value on this team ahead of Quintana. If we go full rebuild (hopefully we do), he would command a ton on the market as he'd be the best outfielder on the market. What teams and what kind of deals would you expect for Adam Eaton? I think Eaton to the Cardinals makes sense with a package centered by Reyes Edited November 15, 2016 by SoxPride18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Baltimore is a perfect fit for him, but they don't have the prospects to get a deal done. So yeah, St. Louis is my ideal destination for him as well. It'd be awesome seeing him terrorize the Cubs 18 times a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) Don't think he gets dealt. We'd have to be blown away and not many teams have the bullets to get it done. Edited November 15, 2016 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) Adam Eaton is a 6WAR player with 5 years of control for $38 million. Over the last season and a half, he has been one of the top 10 position players in baseball. Why would the Sox trade him? If you are trading him why not Rodon? Why not Anderson? Edited November 15, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:18 AM) Adam Eaton is a 6WAR player with 5 years of control for $38 million. Over the last season and a half, he has been one of the top 10 position players in baseball. Why would the Sox trade him? If you are trading him why not Rodon? Why not Anderson? Those are guys I would definitely plan on holding onto unless I got a huge haul for Eaton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:18 AM) Adam Eaton is a 6WAR player with 5 years of control for $38 million. Over the last season and a half, he has been one of the top 10 position players in baseball. Why would the Sox trade him? If you are trading him why not Rodon? Why not Anderson? Turns 28. Value will never be any higher. Could get a haul for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:18 AM) Adam Eaton is a 6WAR player with 5 years of control for $38 million. Over the last season and a half, he has been one of the top 10 position players in baseball. Why would the Sox trade him? If you are trading him why not Rodon? Why not Anderson? Dick, you're a smart poster and know the answer here. Eaton is at peak value, while Rodon & Anderson could significantly improve their value if they take that next step. You obviously need to be blown away, but there is definitely logic in moving Eaton if the right offer comes along. You'd probably have to get a decent major league piece back in the deal, because we're talking about a guy who could provide $150M to $200M in surplus value over the five years of his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:26 AM) Dick, you're a smart poster and know the answer here. Eaton is at peak value, while Rodon & Anderson could significantly improve their value if they take that next step. You obviously need to be blown away, but there is definitely logic in moving Eaton if the right offer comes along. You'd probably have to get a decent major league piece back in the deal, because we're talking about a guy who could provide $150M to $200M in surplus value over the five years of his contract. If a rebuild is successful and in 2 or 3 seasons the Sox can compete, he is still a bargain for multiple years. Again, a top 10 in MLB Position player WAR, and it isn't like he is due to regress. Trading 6 WAR players who aren't about to become free agents, or who don't make a huge amount of money, and hoping you get back a similar player is for fools. 5 seasons from now Adam Eaton will still be paid $2 million less than what a 44 year old Bartolo Colon just signed for. Trading him would be making a trade just to make a trade. It would most likely look stupid in the end. All things considered, he actually is probably more valuable than Sale Edited November 15, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 There may be enough teams with enough talent to trade for one of Sale, Eaton, Quintana and Jones but that doesn't mean teams are willing to pay it. I think that's what everyone needs to understand here. The Sox also shouldn't accept less just to make a move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Toronto, Giants, Mets, and St. Louis would probably have strong interest in Eaton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:43 AM) Toronto, Giants, Mets, and St. Louis would probably have strong interest in Eaton. Every team would have a strong interest in Eaton. He is being held pretty short on this board. He has off the charts value. Fangraphs pegs his 2016 season worth a little more tha $48 million. It pegs his 3 years with the White Sox worth $100.7 million, and they have him signed for 5 more years for a total of $38 million with $1.5 million outs the last 2 years if something should go wrong. Edited November 15, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:33 AM) If a rebuild is successful and in 2 or 3 seasons the Sox can compete, he is still a bargain for multiple years. Again, a top 10 in MLB Position player WAR, and it isn't like he is due to regress. Trading 6 WAR players who aren't about to become free agents, or who don't make a huge amount of money, and hoping you get back a similar player is for fools. 5 seasons from now Adam Eaton will still be paid $2 million less than what a 44 year old Bartolo Colon just signed for. Trading him would be making a trade just to make a trade. It would most likely look stupid in the end. All things considered, he actually is probably more valuable than Sale Well not sure I agree about the regressing part. Eaton is a speed guy, and while he may not steal a ton of bags, he provides a lot of value on the bases and his range in RF is a signicant driver of his value. It's very real possibility he starts declining in the next couple of years. Will he suddenly become a bad baseball player? Hell no, but assuming he's a 6 WAR player three or four years from is a pretty optimistic projection. Also, the idea of a successful rebuild in two to three years is only possible if you're dealing multiple impact pieces. Simply dealing Sale, Frazier, Melky, & Robertson isn't going to be enough. That doesn't mean we have to deal Eaton, but a couple guys like him, Quintana, Abreu, & Jones need to go to accelerate this thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) Eaton has a 5.1 average WAR over the last three years. That said, his "bad clubhouse rep" in AZ, somewhat controversial Twitter history (bonding with Sale and the LaRoches) and propensity for injuries and reckless play won't get you a Top Ten player haul in return. Edited November 15, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 08:01 AM) Well not sure I agree about the regressing part. Eaton is a speed guy, and while he may not steal a ton of bags, he provides a lot of value on the bases and his range in RF is a signicant driver of his value. It's very real possibility he starts declining in the next couple of years. Will he suddenly become a bad baseball player? Hell no, but assuming he's a 6 WAR player three or four years from is a pretty optimistic projection. Also, the idea of a successful rebuild in two to three years is only possible if you're dealing multiple impact pieces. Simply dealing Sale, Frazier, Melky, & Robertson isn't going to be enough. That doesn't mean we have to deal Eaton, but a couple guys like him, Quintana, Abreu, & Jones need to go to accelerate this thing. Tradimg all of their good players away for 20-25 prospects is would be Christmas for some when it happened. The reality is, they will still need more. So either you will have to trade some of those prospects for established players or sign free agents. A free agent with Eaton production 2 or 3 years from now would probably cost $200 million if not more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:18 AM) Adam Eaton is a 6WAR player with 5 years of control for $38 million. Over the last season and a half, he has been one of the top 10 position players in baseball. Why would the Sox trade him? If you are trading him why not Rodon? Why not Anderson? This. Eaton is part of the core, no reason to move him right now. You definitely won't get anything approaching a fair market value for him, so don't even pretend he's going anywhere. You still need veterans on this team anyways. Starting with Eaton, Rodon, and Anderson isn't a bad core to build around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 08:10 AM) This. Eaton is part of the core, no reason to move him right now. You definitely won't get anything approaching a fair market value for him, so don't even pretend he's going anywhere. You still need veterans on this team anyways. Starting with Eaton, Rodon, and Anderson isn't a bad core to build around. Starting with a 28 year old is a mistake. You're essentially wasting his prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Eaton, like Sale and Q, would need a blown away package. He's 28 and will not be be a happy camper if we trade most of the veterans. We don't have to move him but he could be a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 08:17 AM) Eaton, like Sale and Q, would need a blown away package. He's 28 and will not be be a happy camper if we trade most of the veterans. We don't have to move him but he could be a possibility. Might as well move him, too. We're in agreement, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 08:06 AM) Tradimg all of their good players away for 20-25 prospects is would be Christmas for some when it happened. The reality is, they will still need more. So either you will have to trade some of those prospects for established players or sign free agents. A free agent with Eaton production 2 or 3 years from now would probably cost $200 million if not more. I don't really buy this idea we need to keep some of our good players. I think every move that we make should be about creating a serious competitive window from 2019/2020 to 2024. Eaton can fit into a portion of that window, but he'll also be a 30 to 31 year old speed-based player by that time. Meanwhile, we'll have wasted anywhere from $60M to $120M of his surplus value during our rebuilding process. I still think there are packages out there for Eaton that will provide more value during that competive window than keeping him provides. IMO, if we get that type of offer, we should definitely take it no matter how good Eaton is today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 08:30 AM) I don't really buy this idea we need to keep some of our good players. I think every move that we make should be about creating a serious competitive window from 2019/2020 to 2024. Eaton can fit into a portion of that window, but he'll also be a 30 to 31 year old speed-based player by that time. Meanwhile, we'll have wasted anywhere from $60M to $120M of his surplus value during our rebuilding process. I still think there are packages out there for Eaton that will provide more value during that competive window than keeping him provides. IMO, if we get that type of offer, we should definitely take it no matter how good Eaton is today. There should be no urgency to move him though. They can deal him next offseason or the following one as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 (edited) How much is Brett Gardner worth today? That might be Eaton in 2-3 years, especially if he piles up some more injuries. Peak value will never be higher. We can only equate Sale, Q, Jones and Eaton as being close to their highest value, and Melky based on freeing ourselves from under that contract when we're not going to be a contender. Frazier has a lot of value still, too. Gonzalez. Robertson, Abreu...wait and see going into June/July. Shields, same, obviously. Rodon and Anderson are going nowhere but you might trade Rodon if he blows up into a stud or hold onto him if you feel you are a contender his last year or two. That's a toughie. We know he's gone, though. Edited November 15, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 White Sox lack depth. When you are rebuilding and you can turn one player into more players you do it (as long as it's the right deal). Eaton and Robertson to the Cardinals for Kelly, Bader, Weaver and ~3 others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 08:17 AM) Eaton, like Sale and Q, would need a blown away package. He's 28 and will not be be a happy camper if we trade most of the veterans. We don't have to move him but he could be a possibility. Yeah, if Adam Eaton threw the hissy fit he did last year over not having a teenage boy in the clubhouse, imagine how he'll be when all his real friends are gone. Given his already estranged relationship with KW, there are some non-production reasons why the front office might want to move him. Still, it would be incredibly stupid for them to move Eaton right now without getting a killer offer. He'll still have a ton of value at the deadline and in the coming year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Here is my thought on this. If Chris Sale gets dealt, the odds of a Adam Eaton meltdown have to go up significantly. He may well need to be moved, not because of contract or time of service, but because he doesn't have the maturity to play through any sort of a rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 08:59 AM) Yeah, if Adam Eaton threw the hissy fit he did last year over not having a teenage boy in the clubhouse, imagine how he'll be when all his real friends are gone. Given his already estranged relationship with KW, there are some non-production reasons why the front office might want to move him. Still, it would be incredibly stupid for them to move Eaton right now without getting a killer offer. He'll still have a ton of value at the deadline and in the coming year. Yeah, I hadn't gotten here yet, but this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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