Defining the alt-right

[bmags]

Fair, but he's done plenty of interviews. It's not as if the guy is hiding from the public is my point.

 

Who, with Hannity?

[Balta1701]

Steve Bannon, in July:

 

Steve Bannon is "proud" that he created a platform for the alt-right. pic.twitter.com/6oqHY2hoHu

 

— Kevin Drum (@kdrum) November 22, 2016

Donald Trump today:

 

On Bannon:"If I thought he was a racist or alt-right or any of the things, the terms we could use, I wouldn't even think about hiring him."

 

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 22, 2016

 

Link

[Jenksismyhero]

Who, with Hannity?

 

I watch most of the Sunday morning network shows and I feel like he's been on every one of those multiple times in the last couple of months.

[chw42]

I thought Alex Jones was more just bats*** conspiracy theorist in general than alt-right?

 

Those 2 have started to merge. Mostly because a huge part of conspiracy theorists' spiel is that all of the world's wealth is owned by the Jewish Rothschild family. That alone would make neo nazis giddy.

[BigSqwert]

Maybe all the times he retweeted them?

 

He's spent more time criticizing Rosie O'Donnel, the NY Times, and Hamilton than he has white supremacists who openly align with him.

[Balta1701]

He's spent more time criticizing Rosie O'Donnel, the NY Times, and Hamilton than he has white supremacists who openly align with him.

I found this to be an interesting counterpoint:

Marshall Kirkpatrick, of social-media analytics company Little Bird, took a look at the 21 people the Donald has blessed with his fantastic, luxurious retweets this week, and discovered that six of them follow major white-nationalist accounts, and 13 of them follow multiple accounts that have used the #whitegenocide hashtag.

 

Conclusion? “It turns out that Donald Trump mostly retweets white supremacists saying nice things about him.”

[Big Hurtin]

Trump met with NYTimes, and had this to say:

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/801126093776449537

 

I'm glad he said that. I wish he would have more press interviews where this can all be discussed instead of Twitter.

Ugh, it just brings to mind Howard Stern playing audio of his father saying "shut up, you know why."

[caulfield12]

https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/tila-tequil...-192654817.html

Tila Tequila suspended from Twitter for Nazi salute...but will they do that to other members?

She's an easy target.

[chw42]

https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/tila-tequil...-192654817.html

Tila Tequila suspended from Twitter for Nazi salute...but will they do that to other members?

She's an easy target.

 

Tilq Tequila is just...WTF. Is she doin' this crap just for attention? She's doing all this crap with white nationalists and she's not even white!

[Chisoxfn]

Don't you think part of that is unreasonable expectations of the guy a week after the election? Everyone i've seen has said he's way ahead of both Bush and Obama on his transition team/appointments and he's been more open and public about it. Yeah, he's made questionable choices for sure, but the constant, hourly criticism is getting silly.

 

And that leads to a problem someone pointed out the other day - if the media continues to focus on nonsense stories like the Hamilton response or the SNL response, they're creating a world in which Trump is criticized for literally everything and people will just tune out the legitimate criticisms like his actual, questionable appointments. Didn't we just learn that lesson through the campaign? Focus on every little thing he does and the big stuff gets lots in the haze.

Fantastic post. Absolutely spot on.

[caulfield12]

Therein lies the problem.

 

If Trump does engage Alec Baldwin, SNL, Hamilton cast, Duterte, the British (because they had the temerity not to allow him to name the Ambassador to the US!!!), Xi Jinping, etc.

 

Then how is that NOT newsworthy?

 

Trump over and over again has made the point that Twitter and social media were key factors in his victory (and saving money on campaign ads)...and then we can just go back to the general point that only 3-5% of election coverage was spent talking about or debating policy or substantive issues.

 

So HOW can that suddenly flip from campaigning to governing and the focus will be 100% on policy when all those Twitter controversies are what creates news coverage and page views?? Obviously, that strategy implemented by the Trump campaign has become something of a double-edged sword.

 

Of course, left unmentioned is the fact that the $25 million Trump University settlement quietly took place without hardly any mention...there's just so many things spinning around in the air at the same time, it's hard to focus on just one thing at a time.

Edited November 23, 2016 by caulfield12

[StrangeSox]

Tilq Tequila is just...WTF. Is she doin' this crap just for attention? She's doing all this crap with white nationalists and she's not even white!

I'm pretty sure she has legitimate brain damage iirc

[caulfield12]

I'm pretty sure she has legitimate brain damage iirc

 

Maybe it won't be clinically diagnosed for another generation, but all this fascination with social media/fame/attention has to be connected.

 

She might have drug/substance abuse injuries that damaged her brain, but the root or endemic problem is almost always related to self-esteem combined with the loss of attention/fame causing one to go in a downward spiral. It's really not so unusual, we see it in the sports and entertainment field all the time.

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-angry-white-...-223547456.html

Hearing out the ANGRY WHITE MAN next door

 

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/trump-support...zlfMQRzZWMDc2M-

Trump Supporters Are Protesting "Anti-White Discrimination" at Starbucks by....Buying More Starbucks

Edited November 23, 2016 by caulfield12

[BigSqwert]

I found this to be an interesting counterpoint:

 

It was defcon 1 when Obama's reverend had a controversial sermon. Obama had to denounce him and leave his church. With Trump it's just whatever. No big deal when so many white supremacists are either part of the administration or cheering it on. The hypocrisy is astounding.

[Jenksismyhero]

Therein lies the problem.

 

If Trump does engage Alec Baldwin, SNL, Hamilton cast, Duterte, the British (because they had the temerity not to allow him to name the Ambassador to the US!!!), Xi Jinping, etc.

 

Then how is that NOT newsworthy?

 

Trump over and over again has made the point that Twitter and social media were key factors in his victory (and saving money on campaign ads)...and then we can just go back to the general point that only 3-5% of election coverage was spent talking about or debating policy or substantive issues.

 

So HOW can that suddenly flip from campaigning to governing and the focus will be 100% on policy when all those Twitter controversies are what creates news coverage and page views?? Obviously, that strategy implemented by the Trump campaign has become something of a double-edged sword.

 

Of course, left unmentioned is the fact that the $25 million Trump University settlement quietly took place without hardly any mention...there's just so many things spinning around in the air at the same time, it's hard to focus on just one thing at a time.

 

I agree, it's a problem. But the media could collectively decide to cover the newsworthy components of what he does/says, not the bulls*** unimportant stuff. The problem is there's no money to be made from doing that.

 

Re: the bolded, I don't think there's a lot, I think the media chooses to cover every small thing he does so it seems like a lot. When the top story of the day is Trump meeting with the New York Times and what happened during that meeting, including what he ate for lunch and when he took a piss, you know the media doesn't care about news, they care about the views they're going to get from the pissed of liberals and the excited conservatives.

[Jenksismyhero]

It was defcon 1 when Obama's reverend had a controversial sermon. Obama had to denounce him and leave his church. With Trump it's just whatever. No big deal when so many white supremacists are either part of the administration or cheering it on. The hypocrisy is astounding.

 

I honestly believe that issue proves his narcissism more than his racism. "Someone said something nice about me? Who cares who it is, RETWEET!!!!!"

[StrangeSox]

I agree, it's a problem. But the media could collectively decide to cover the newsworthy components of what he does/says, not the bulls*** unimportant stuff. The problem is there's no money to be made from doing that.

 

Re: the bolded, I don't think there's a lot, I think the media chooses to cover every small thing he does so it seems like a lot. When the top story of the day is Trump meeting with the New York Times and what happened during that meeting, including what he ate for lunch and when he took a piss, you know the media doesn't care about news, they care about the views they're going to get from the pissed of liberals and the excited conservatives.

 

The NYT meeting was a long policy discussion though. That one doesn't really fit in the mold of bulls*** coverage.

[Jerksticks]

The media oversaturating a small yearly gathering of neonazis is deplorable. There's only one reason to give all this airtime to a few hundred hateful idiots. Only one reason. And that makes me really really sad. Everyone's job on Earth is to help out their fellow man. People are probably going to end up getting hurt because of this false narrative. That really sucks. Trying to divide people and cause rifts? f***ing stop it already, people buy into this s***, even people claiming to be smart.

[BigSqwert]

The media oversaturating a small yearly gathering of neonazis is deplorable. There's only one reason to give all this airtime to a few hundred hateful idiots. Only one reason. And that makes me really really sad. Everyone's job on Earth is to help out their fellow man. People are probably going to end up getting hurt because of this false narrative. That really sucks. Trying to divide people and cause rifts? f***ing stop it already, people buy into this s***, even people claiming to be smart.

 

False narrative? How do you explain the alarming increase in hate crimes these past 2 weeks? Keep burying your head in the sand.

[Balta1701]

Apparently my current school gets this Spencer nazi's next public appearance just after Thanksgiving! yay!

[caulfield12]

The media oversaturating a small yearly gathering of neonazis is deplorable. There's only one reason to give all this airtime to a few hundred hateful idiots. Only one reason. And that makes me really really sad. Everyone's job on Earth is to help out their fellow man. People are probably going to end up getting hurt because of this false narrative. That really sucks. Trying to divide people and cause rifts? f***ing stop it already, people buy into this s***, even people claiming to be smart.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/23/opinions/chr...-era/index.html

You're not going to like it one bit, but reading this article will give you a pretty good idea of what to expect during the next four years from the media. Her voice carries a lot of weight, especially with female writers. And she probably has the ear of more foreign leaders than Trump by a factor of 3-4x.

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-tv-qui...-145321398.html

Trump TV quietly launches. Wait until they start getting paid advertisers and every liberal reporters starts digging into favorable government treatment, access/meetings with Breitbart/Kushner or the admin, booking at the Trump Intl Hotel in DC, etc.

 

Let's not forget, Trump recently opined Jared Kushner can resolve/mediate the Israel/Palestinean crisis because he is Jewish...and moving the Israeli embassy to Jerusalem won't ruffle any feathers, either.

 

 

 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_DeVos

I'm going to take a guess that we don't want to model our education system on a charter school version of Amway.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/23/politics/bet...tary/index.html

Trump can't even decide which position he has on Common Core he's flip flopped so many times

Edited November 23, 2016 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

Apparently my current school gets this Spencer nazi's next public appearance just after Thanksgiving! yay!

 

But he has a strong background in interpreting rock formations/sedimentary layers as well!

Edited November 23, 2016 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/25/opinions/new...rter/index.html

New PC should include white people

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/23/opinions/ban...rman/index.html

What happens when you normalize the abnormal

[bmags]

Lovely title now.

[caulfield12]

http://www.businessinsider.com/krugman-whi...g-class-2016-11

Greater Appalachian region referred to as the "Big White Ghetto" by conservatives...

 

 

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2...ry.html?ref=yfp

Interesting Bannon piece...reading this, the whole thing about alt-right just appears to be a pragmatic business school "niche opportunity."

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/don-t-think-...-160325324.html

Race-based nationalism diesn't "stand the test of logic according to Bannon

 

Edited November 29, 2016 by caulfield12