TheFutureIsNear Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Sale and Frazier for Bregman, Martes, Reed, Paulino, Cameron, and Stubbs I think that trade helps both franchises out a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 05:23 PM) I'm really curious why Houston seems so eager to move Springer. He seemingly fits in well in that clubhouse and fits perfectly on paper with Correa, Altuve, ect. Chris Sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 08:41 PM) Chris Sale? I also heard Springer's name connected to the Yankees in McCann talks. Edited November 24, 2016 by Ro Da Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 08:40 PM) Sale and Frazier for Bregman, Martes, Reed, Paulino, Cameron, and Stubbs I think that trade helps both franchises out a lot. Only if they're convinced Gurriel can't play 3B competently. One would think they would want to diversify their offense away from high K, high homer but mostly lower OBP guys. That's not the type of offense that's going to successfully manufacture runs in the postseason, after you get through Altuve and Correa. Sure, they might all get hot at the same time, but the odds of that happening against elite pitching aren't that substantial. Edited November 24, 2016 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 09:54 PM) Only if they're convinced Gurriel can't play 3B competently. One would think they would want to diversify their offense away from high K, high homer but mostly lower OBP guys. That's not the type of offense that's going to successfully manufacture runs in the postseason, after you get through Altuve and Correa. Sure, they might all get hot at the same time, but the odds of that happening against elite pitching aren't that high. One would think that...but their rumored interest in Mike Napoli would say otherwise. And if Gurriell is a better 3B then Todd can easily play 1st for them as well. I have no idea if the Napoli rumor is true or not, but if it is I'd have to imagine getting Frazier on a reasonable 1 year deal would be pretty enticing instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 07:05 PM) One would think that...but their rumored interest in Mike Napoli would say otherwise. And if Gurriell is a better 3B then Todd can easily play 1st for them as well. I have no idea if the Napoli rumor is true or not, but if it is I'd have to imagine getting Frazier on a reasonable 1 year deal would be pretty enticing instead. Fraizer would mash hardcore at Hustons home park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 06:07 PM) No offense guys, but the Astros aren't giving Springer & Bregman for Sale. If you honestly think that's possible, you're in for a world of dissapointment. You certainly cannot fault them if this is the ask though. Personally, and I raised this in another thread, with Bregman, it depends on what the Sox want to do with Anderson. It makes little sense for them to trade for him only to put him at 3b. Can Anderson play 2b? And what does that do to his value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 09:14 PM) You certainly cannot fault them if this is the ask though. Personally, and I raised this in another thread, with Bregman, it depends on what the Sox want to do with Anderson. It makes little sense for them to trade for him only to put him at 3b. Can Anderson play 2b? And what does that do to his value? Why does Tim have to move? He showed some phenomenal tools at SS and better than expected defense at the position. Bregman has already proven his versatility at SS, 3B, and LF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 07:17 PM) Why does Tim have to move? He showed some phenomenal tools at SS and better than expected defense at the position. Bregman has already proven his versatility at SS, 3B, and LF. Then it makes no sense to pay a premium for a ss prospect, only to put him in f***ing left field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Wow an A+ player like Sale on an A+ contract can get an A+ unproven prospect like Urias? Sox sure have some audacity asking for so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 09:18 PM) Then it makes no sense to pay a premium for a ss prospect, only to put him in f***ing left field. I'm willing to bet Bregman would also be able to adjust to 2B, another premium position, given his versatility. The only other premium position centerpiece we may be able to get would be Benintendi... a natural CF who played LF in Boston this year. We need elite bats, regardless of position. Edited November 24, 2016 by Ro Da Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 09:14 PM) You certainly cannot fault them if this is the ask though. Personally, and I raised this in another thread, with Bregman, it depends on what the Sox want to do with Anderson. It makes little sense for them to trade for him only to put him at 3b. Can Anderson play 2b? And what does that do to his value? Bregman may provide the most overall value at SS, but his bat profiles anywhere in the infield except 1B and I think he could be a plus defender at 3B or 2B. In other words, he shouls be incredibly valuable no matter where you play him. Honestly, I'd be absolutely ecstatic having a Anderson-Bregman middle infield combo for the next six years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) Yeah, if you can get huge offensive production at 3B, 2B, C or CF, you're still much better off. SS as well, obviously. Looking at some of the AL DH numbers this last season, you can almost say that about a hitting-only position as well, crazily enough. Edited November 24, 2016 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 09:18 PM) You are not getting both Bregman and Springer in the deal. I'm shocked anyone thinks Houston would consider that. I don't think there's a chance. I just threw out a trade idea anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 07:33 PM) Bregman may provide the most overall value at SS, but his bat profiles anywhere in the infield except 1B and I think he could be a plus defender at 3B or 2B. In other words, he shouls be incredibly valuable no matter where you play him. Honestly, I'd be absolutely ecstatic having a Anderson-Bregman middle infield combo for the next six years. Sure, if he can play up the middle, great. But I just don't want to pay for his bat at ss only to then slot him at a non-premium defensive position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 09:41 PM) Sure, if he can play up the middle, great. But I just don't want to pay for his bat at ss only to then slot him at a non-premium defensive position. Between 80 games in AA and AAA in 2016 Bregman slashed .306/.406/.580 with 20 HR. That doesn't just profile at SS. That profiles anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) Between 80 games in AA and AAA in 2016 Bregman slashed .306/.406/.580 with 20 HR. That doesn't just profile at SS. That profiles anywhere. Yeah, that is not being disputed. What excites you more, your SS doing that or your LF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 09:50 PM) Yeah, that is not being disputed. What excites you more, your SS doing that or your LF? You're acting like we'd be paying a premium getting Bregman in a Sale deal because he was drafted as SS, when in reality Houston is paying the premium for Sale having to include Bregman. We'd be getting Bregman plus at least 4 other players. Not just Bregman. Why does he have to be a LF or SS for you? He played mostly 3B in the majors. Frazier will likely get moved if we blow this up. Why can't Bregman play 3B or 2B? Or better yet SS, 3B, 2B, AND LF? See: Kris Bryant, your versatile 2016 NL MVP. Versatility is extremely valuable. Edited November 24, 2016 by Ro Da Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 I'd also like to add that SS is a defensive-first position. According to Fangraphs, Tim had a 10.8 DWAR in the majors at SS. Whereas Bregman had a -1.2 DWAR mostly elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 07:54 PM) You're acting like we'd be paying a premium getting Bregman in a Sale deal because he was drafted as SS, when in reality Houston is paying the premium for Sale having to include Bregman. We'd be getting Bregman plus at least 4 other players. Not just Bregman. Why does he have to be a LF or SS for you? He played mostly 3B in the majors. Frazier will likely get moved if we blow this up. Why can't Bregman play 3B or 2B? Or better yet SS, 3B, 2B, AND LF? See: Kris Bryant, your versatile 2016 NL MVP. Versatility is extremely valuable. Because Houston is going to sell him as an elite bat at a middle of the field position, irregardless of whether he played that position for them or not. You're damn right you are going to pay a premium for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) Between 80 games in AA and AAA in 2016 Bregman slashed .306/.406/.580 with 20 HR. That doesn't just profile at SS. That profiles anywhere. Play him at 3B...a long time problem for the Sox. And he's still a prospect...an elite prospect, but Sale should command an elite (top 10) prospect + Saladino and Sanchez can cover 2B...or at least we'll have time to find out. Edited November 24, 2016 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Bregman would play 2B if the Sox trade for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Guy on the Astros fan board that was posted early suggested this deal.... Bregman, Devenski, Martes and Kyle Tucker for Sale. Obviously Bregman is awesome. Was ranked anywhere from #22-#49 going in to 2016 before he had an incredible year. Martes is the 19th ranked prospect in baseball, Tucker is #46. And Devenski, whose best pro season came in 2016 in his rookie year when he had a 2.16 ERA, 8.6 K/9, 1.7 BB/9, and a WHIP of only 0.91, was actually drafted by the White Sox in the 25th round before he was TRADED to the Astros for....Brett Myers! Wheeeeeee. Anyway, I would take this deal for sure. Obviously Bregman is a stud, Martes is a top 20 prospect, Tucker is top 50, and Devenski could have figured it all out in the majors. Done deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 11:55 PM) Guy on the Astros fan board that was posted early suggested this deal.... Bregman, Devenski, Martes and Kyle Tucker for Sale. Obviously Bregman is awesome. Was ranked anywhere from #22-#49 going in to 2016 before he had an incredible year. Martes is the 19th ranked prospect in baseball, Tucker is #46. And Devenski, whose best pro season came in 2016 in his rookie year when he had a 2.16 ERA, 8.6 K/9, 1.7 BB/9, and a WHIP of only 0.91, was actually drafted by the White Sox in the 25th round before he was TRADED to the Astros for....Brett Myers! Wheeeeeee. Anyway, I would take this deal for sure. Obviously Bregman is a stud, Martes is a top 20 prospect, Tucker is top 50, and Devenski could have figured it all out in the majors. Done deal. Why do we want Devenski and why would they want to give him up? Just don't see the benefit of a rebuilding team acquiring a reliever as a key piece. Give me Reed instead and I'd make that deal in a heartbeat. Edited November 24, 2016 by Chicago White Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 I just wanted to say: Hello from the other side... -Adele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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