The CBA is done - formerly the CBA is not done thread

[Y2Jimmy0]

This won't change much for the Sox. Nothing in it should instigate the Sox to give any more than their usual half-hearted effort on the international front; the forward-thinkers are now limited, so the Sox won't be hurt as badly by their international lethargy.

 

 

It will change a little bit. If the White Sox bonus pool was say $3.4 million before, they'd spend the $3.4 million. These caps are stupid and hurt the kids that are trying to make fair market value but it helps the Sox a lot. With a $5 million cap on spending, I have no reason to believe that the White Sox won't spend the full $5 million every year. This helps them but I hate it.

[Bob Sacamano]

Minimum dl days in now 10. I like that one. Makes it easier to put a guy arm soreness on the dl only missing a start really.

Edited December 1, 2016 by soxfan2014

[Buehrle>Wood]

They'll be judged as a large market team in a market dominated by another franchise.

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the rule. But being designated a major market team here doesn't affect our pick or what pick we give up either. Far as I can tell it's not a trading of picks. And if one of our players signs with the Yankees, I don't see why we wouldn't still get the top available pick.

 

I guess maybe it's a very very slight disadvantage in the oft chance we sign guys over 50 million and the other team gets a better pick than deserved because of it

[Buehrle>Wood]

Jeff Passan reported the AP says the MLB All-Star Game will no longer decide WS home field advantage.

 

I'm not a fan of this move. MLB All-Star game is the highest rated of all the all-star games, and players try the hardest. All the other sports all-star games are a joke and no one watches.

Agreed with that. Stupid to get rid of it, especially given the major imbalance between leagues.

[LittleHurt05]

Jeff Passan reported the AP says the MLB All-Star Game will no longer decide WS home field advantage.

 

I'm not a fan of this move. MLB All-Star game is the highest rated of all the all-star games, and players try the hardest. All the other sports all-star games are a joke and no one watches.

 

Players didn't try hard solely because of home-field advantage. They tried hard way before that rule was implemented and they will keep trying as hard in the future.

 

The nature of the sport is why the MLB game is the most popular and players try harder. Mike Trout going 100% for 3 at-bats and a few fly balls is a a lot different than LeBron giving full effort on offense and defense for 20+ minutes or Von Miller trying to run through a left tackle to destroy a QB or running back 15-20 times.

 

Nothing will change as far as your All-Star viewing experience goes.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the rule. But being designated a major market team here doesn't affect our pick or what pick we give up either. Far as I can tell it's not a trading of picks. And if one of our players signs with the Yankees, I don't see why we wouldn't still get the top available pick.

 

I guess maybe it's a very very slight disadvantage in the oft chance we sign guys over 50 million and the other team gets a better pick than deserved because of it

 

 

There are no 1st round picks given up for signing QO Free Agents anymore. For example, if Dodgers signed Frazier to a 4/70 deal next year, they'd forfeit their 2nd and 5th round pick to do so. It's not clear which pick the White Sox would receive in return but it sounds like a 2nd for tax teams and 3rd for non-tax teams. This will spur trading because most teams would rather have the prospects than the 3rd round draft pick.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Players didn't try hard solely because of home-field advantage. They tried hard way before that rule was implemented and they will keep trying as hard in the future.

 

The nature of the sport is why the MLB game is the most popular and players try harder. Mike Trout going 100% for 3 at-bats and a few fly balls is a a lot different than LeBron giving full effort on offense and defense for 20+ minutes or Von Miller trying to run through a left tackle to destroy a QB or running back 15-20 times.

 

Nothing will change as far as your All-Star viewing experience goes.

 

 

Sorry but a HR in the 9th inning by a Tampa Bay Rays player shouldn't give the AL home-field in the World Series over an NL with a better record. Dumbest rule in sports is finally fixed.

[Dick Allen]

Players didn't try hard solely because of home-field advantage. They tried hard way before that rule was implemented and they will keep trying as hard in the future.

 

The nature of the sport is why the MLB game is the most popular and players try harder. Mike Trout going 100% for 3 at-bats and a few fly balls is a a lot different than LeBron giving full effort on offense and defense for 20+ minutes or Von Miller trying to run through a left tackle to destroy a QB or running back 15-20 times.

 

Nothing will change as far as your All-Star viewing experience goes.

I think there will be a little less intensity, but not much and it was dumb to give the WS home field to the winner of the All Star Game. I also think it's dumb to give it to the team with the best record because they play totally different schedules. I would like it given to the league with the best interleague record, or just alternate it like they used to do it. Home field in the WS is a big deal because of the different rules. At least in the other sports the rules are the same for every conference.

Edited December 1, 2016 by Dick Allen

[flavum]

Adding another half week in 2018 is going to make for some weird interleague play scheduling. Trust me on that.

 

Opening Day will probably be March 29, 2018.

[Chicago White Sox]

There are no 1st round picks given up for signing QO Free Agents anymore. For example, if Dodgers signed Frazier to a 4/70 deal next year, they'd forfeit their 2nd and 5th round pick to do so. It's not clear which pick the White Sox would receive in return but it sounds like a 2nd for tax teams and 3rd for non-tax teams. This will spur trading because most teams would rather have the prospects than the 3rd round draft pick.

So when they said "market size" they were referring to tax & non-tax teams? Obviously that would be a lot better for us.

 

Also, you must have part of it backwards right? Wouldn't a tax team get a lesser pick for losing a QO free agent?

[flavum]

If it were up to me, they would eliminate divisions, play a close to balanced schedule, and seed the teams 1-15.

 

The higher seed, either league, would get HFA in the World Series. So the incentive to finish higher in your league would be there to the end of the season. If it's the same seed from each league, then it would go to win total.

[Dick Allen]

I just wonder how they determine contract size over $50 million if there are incentives and things that trigger contracts becoming guaranteed. If you sign a guy to a contract that guarantees $49 million for 3 years, but he gets another 3 years and $60 million guaranteed after his first plate appearance, is there draft pick forfeiture?

 

You would think if you are giving someone $50 million plus, a second round pick shouldn't me so much to you, but it might make the guys right on the $50 million worth line have to accept shorter term contracts.

[Jose Abreu]

A 10-day DL? Interesting, although it will take some getting used to

[Dick Allen]

I would hate to be an A's fan. Getting phased out of the revenue sharing program for penny pinching is going to hurt. They received $34 million free in 2015.

[YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES!]

All these new rules are going to take forever to remember, lol.

[Y2Jimmy0]

I just wonder how they determine contract size over $50 million if there are incentives and things that trigger contracts becoming guaranteed. If you sign a guy to a contract that guarantees $49 million for 3 years, but he gets another 3 years and $60 million guaranteed after his first plate appearance, is there draft pick forfeiture?

 

You would think if you are giving someone $50 million plus, a second round pick shouldn't me so much to you, but it might make the guys right on the $50 million worth line have to accept shorter term contracts.

 

 

Mike Ferrin just tweeted it and I can't use twitter at work. It would be helpful in here. Here's what he's saying: Players turn down the QO, if a tax teams signs them then they forfeit their 2nd and 5th rounder. If a non tax team signs them they forfeit their 3rd rounder. This is where I've seen both but Ferrin says team losing the QO FA would receive a pick in between round 1-2 if the players gets a contract more than $50 million and would receive a pick after Competitive Balance Round B if players signs for less than $50 million. If a luxury tax team loses a QO free agent, they get a pick after 4th round.

[Balta1701]

Mike Ferrin just tweeted it and I can't use twitter at work. It would be helpful in here. Here's what he's saying: Players turn down the QO, if a tax teams signs them then they forfeit their 2nd and 5th rounder. If a non tax team signs them they forfeit their 3rd rounder. This is where I've seen both but Ferrin says team losing the QO FA would receive a pick in between round 1-2 if the players gets a contract more than $50 million and would receive a pick after Competitive Balance Round B if players signs for less than $50 million. If a luxury tax team loses a QO free agent, they get a pick after 4th round.

Well, if that's right then that undoes the post last night thinking about the Royals, because almost all their guys (maybe not Hosmer if he has a bad year?) will be in position to score $50 million deals. Frazier would be a "pick after the first round" kinda guy barring injury or collapse.

[PolishPrince34]

I would hate to be an A's fan. Getting phased out of the revenue sharing program for penny pinching is going to hurt. They received $34 million free in 2015.

A's will have a new stadium and new location by then.

Edited December 1, 2016 by PolishPrince34

[caulfield12]

Hosmer should still get the money because of his age and defense.

 

Cain, Moustakas, Duffy....at least those four.

 

Then Wade Davis will get a deal similar to Robertson's. Of course, they wouldn't be able to afford to pay him $17+ million for one year, but they might work out a deal where he promises to turn it down (if he has seasons like 2014-15 and stays healthy) in order to sign a $50 million deal elsewhere.

 

Escobar would have to put together a huge rebound season.

Edited December 1, 2016 by caulfield12

[Balta1701]

Hosmer should still get the money because of his age and defense.

 

Cain, Moustakas, Duffy....at least those four.

 

Then Wade Davis will get a deal similar to Robertson's. Of course, they wouldn't be able to afford to pay him $17+ million for one year, but they might work out a deal where he promises to turn it down (if he has seasons like 2014-15 and stays healthy) in order to sign a $50 million deal elsewhere.

Hosmer's defense took a nose dive last season as did his bat. He has to have a much better year to get paid.

[southsider2k5]

So, leaves open the definition of amateur/professional in foreign leagues.

 

I would guess that definition hasn't changed.

[bmags]

Best write-up I've seen on Player Compensation:

Teams that lose a free agent who rejects a qualifying offer will still get a draft pick. The details: For most teams, that pick would be a sandwich pick immediately following the competitive-balance picks that are awarded after the second round. However, if that team comes from the 15 smallest markets and is receiving revenue-sharing money, and it loses a free agent who signs a contract worth at least $50 million, that pick would follow the first round. And if the team losing that player is over the luxury-tax threshold, the pick would follow the fourth round.

 

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0595981839814890747-4

 

h/t sss larry for finding

[Balta1701]

So since the White sox don't count as the 15 smallest markets they would never receive a pick after the 1st, only after the 2nd?

[bmags]

So since the White sox don't count as the 15 smallest markets they would never receive a pick after the 1st, only after the 2nd?

 

Correct.

 

OTOH so much of the CBA has been tailored to JR's interests it's hard to complain too much.

[YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES!]

Surprised no major moves have been made yet. I thought things would've happened quickly once this thing was resolved.