Avi Garcia tendered a $3 million contract

[KMule2545]

Whats the point of even giving him a shot? Even on a rebuilding team it doesnt make any sense. He's a bad player. Your wasting reps for someone else.

 

I don't understand all the hate for this move. The guy is 25 years old! Would you rather have Avi with a high ceiling (unlikely to reach it, I know) 3 million to DH or some old ass vet that spot? It's not like we have other options at the present time.

 

I mentioned this in other threads, but he had better exit velocities in 2016 than Bryant and Rizzo. And was in his first year using a revamped swing. He was rushed to the Bigs by Detroit. Do I think he's going to become a stud? No, most likely not. But development isn't linear for all players. It's 3 million dollars. Not 6 or 8 mil. We're rebuilding - not competing.

[Baron]

Unless we get a lot of guys that are major league ready, he isn't blocking anyone who will be an OF on our next playoff team.

 

Where was that implied at all?

[KMule2545]

hell yeah b****

 

all aboard that exit velocity train

 

Make Avisail Great Again

 

Hahahaha

 

[KMule2545]

Where was that implied at all?

 

So you'd rather have Shuck as your DH? An old veteran?

[southsider2k5]

Where was that implied at all?

 

Which means there is no reason to have to cut him.

[Baron]

So you'd rather have Shuck as your DH? An old veteran?

 

I'd rather have Charles Tilson playing the OF and whoever at DH. Pick someone off Triple A.

 

Frankly I dont care that he's 25. He's a bad player and projected to continue to be a bad player because there's so many bad indicators. His defense unless severely limited will be bad as always. His offense really tanked last year. He was actually better the previous year.

 

It's a waste of time.

Edited December 2, 2016 by Baron

[Rowand44]

It's 3 mill and he's not going to be blocking anyone so who the hell cares. That said, I'm tired of the dude and would rather watch almost any other person on earth play baseball than this bad baseball player but whatever.

[Buehrle>Wood]

He's entering his 5th year with us, putting up a -2.4 WAR. He is presumably the worst 4 year Opening Day starter in the 115 years of this franchise. Anyone trying to see any even remote upside in him is suffering from a huge case of Stockholm Syndrome, but at least you're not alone with Rick Hahn.

[Nokona]

Guys, Avi OPS'ed .840 after the ASG

 

Clearly he turned the corner, it's only up from here!

 

#MakeAviGreatAgain

[Soxbadger]

Cant wait for this board when the Sox rebuild.

[GreenSox]

Good lord.

 

So much or the idea that the Whitesox had made improvements in their pro scouting.

 

I want a rebuild...can't see what A Garcia has to do with that.

Edited December 2, 2016 by GreenSox

[KMule2545]

Guys, Avi OPS'ed .840 after the ASG

 

Clearly he turned the corner, it's only up from here!

 

#MakeAviGreatAgain

 

That's actually a great stat, thanks! That coupled with the exit velos and launch angles gives me some hope. He's 25, not 28. Worst case he helps us get a top 5 draft pick. Best case he actually develops. Its a no lose situation on a rebuilding team. He is blocking no one.

[KMule2545]

He's entering his 5th year with us, putting up a -2.4 WAR. He is presumably the worst 4 year Opening Day starter in the 115 years of this franchise. Anyone trying to see any even remote upside in him is suffering from a huge case of Stockholm Syndrome, but at least you're not alone with Rick Hahn.

 

Yeah, having hope for a 25 year old former top prospect with insane power potential as a DH on a rebuilding team is insane! Insane I tell ya!

[daggins]

People like to rag on Avi because he's terrible at baseball, but what they forget is that the White Sox are also terrible at baseball.

[daggins]

Whats frustrating is that I can still see them going either way. They did this same thing with Viciedo and then cut him before they had to pay him real money. So that could happen if they plan to compete.

[SCCWS]

That's actually a great stat, thanks! That coupled with the exit velos and launch angles gives me some hope. He's 25, not 28. Worst case he helps us get a top 5 draft pick. Best case he actually develops. Its a no lose situation on a rebuilding team. He is blocking no one.

 

On the present roster. But we don't know what prospects acquired via trades will be in AZ next spring.

 

[Rowand44]

People like to rag on Avi because he's terrible at baseball, but what they forget is that the White Sox are also terrible at baseball.

Lol. Well done.

[Chicago White Sox]

Yeah, having hope for a 25 year old former top prospect with insane power potential as a DH on a rebuilding team is insane! Insane I tell ya!

Career: 1,551 PA's, 89 wRC+, .695 OPS

 

2016: 453 PA's, 86 wRC+, .692 OPS

 

Sane teams wouldn't give the above player another 500+ plate appearances and expect a different result at this point. I'd actually be pretty pissed right now if I wasn't confident a rebuilding is coming and the fact we can always cut ties with him before the season starts if something better comes along.

Edited December 3, 2016 by Chicago White Sox

[Heads22]

This would be a much bigger deal if we were planning to be good.

[Sleepy Harold]

People like to rag on Avi because he's terrible at baseball, but what they forget is that the White Sox are also terrible at baseball.

This is great, have to give credit where credit is due

[KMule2545]

Career: 1,551 PA's, 89 wRC+, .695 OPS

 

2016: 453 PA's, 86 wRC+, .692 OPS

 

Sane teams wouldn't give the above player another 500+ plate appearances and expect a different result at this point. I'd actually be pretty pissed right now if I wasn't confident a rebuilding is coming and the fact we can always cut ties with him before the season starts if something better comes along.

 

Age:25

Years with a completely revamped swing that doesn't blow d*** : 1

2nd half OPS in the first year with a new swing: .840, as another poster mentioned.

Salary: an absurd 3 million

 

Plenty of talented players don't bust out at age 25 or before. Donaldson, Bautista, Encarnacion, Justin Turner, etc. Do I think he is going to become a stud all of a sudden. Most likely no. The only reason I'm defending Avi is the such strong hate that he's getting everywhere. You hate him cause he's sucked in his time so far with the Sox? Fine. Take your emotions out of it. He's making peanuts on a loser team with no one blocking him, and a world of potential. The fact that some people think players aren't s*** unless they're good instantly is absurd and short sighted. That is one of the reasons why the White Sox are so bad at player development. Sometimes, development happens to take a bit of time. Especially raw players who are rushed by clubs like Detroit and the Sox.

 

I would be right with you guys if he was making double his 3 million/if we were a competitive team/if a legitimate player was blocking him at DH. None of those things happen to be true.

Edited December 3, 2016 by Ro Da Don

[caulfield12]

He's had a lot of minor league at-bats during his career.

 

The only reason he was "rushed" was he started putting up big numbers in in the Detroit system in High A and AA and they must have felt the numbers were sustainable. He started out with the Tigers being a high average, low power guy despite that size and Mini-Miggy stuff. That was partially blamed on Comerica. And then always that potential word.

[KMule2545]

He's had a lot of minor league at-bats during his career.

 

The only reason he was "rushed" was he started putting up big numbers in in the Detroit system in High A and AA and they must have felt the numbers were sustainable. He started out with the Tigers being a high average, low power guy despite that size and Mini-Miggy stuff. That was partially blamed on Comerica. And then always that potential word.

 

He had 55 games in AA before being called up. That is the definition of rushed. Especially being considered as a raw player at the time. He was up out of necessity, not because it was best for his development.

Edited December 3, 2016 by Ro Da Don

[Chicago White Sox]

Age:25

Years with a completely revamped swing that doesn't blow d*** : 1

2nd half OPS in the first year with a new swing: .840, as another poster mentioned.

Salary: an absurd 3 million

 

Plenty of talented players don't bust out at age 25 or before. Donaldson, Bautista, Encarnacion, Justin Turner, etc. Do I think he is going to become a stud all of a sudden. Most likely no. The only reason I'm defending Avi is the such strong hate that he's getting everywhere. You hate him cause he's sucked in his time so far with the Sox? Fine. Take your emotions out of it. He's making peanuts on a loser team with no one blocking him, and a world of potential. The fact that some people think players aren't s*** unless they're good instantly is absurd and short sighted. That is one of the reasons why the White Sox are so bad at player development. Sometimes, development happens to take a bit of time. Especially raw players who are rushed by clubs like Detroit and the Sox.

 

I would be right with you guys if he was making double his 3 million/if we were a competitive team/if a legitimate player was blocking him at DH. None of those things happen to be true.

I'm all for the age argument if he had shown some progress but he simply hasn't. Look at the stats I provided, he was just as bad last year as he's ever been. 1,500 plate appearances are typically enough time to judge a player who has not improved in the slightest. And I don't buy this 2nd half argument. Below are his plate appearances and OPS by month last year.

 

Apr: 79 / .691

May: 82 / .720

Jun: 87 / .578

Jul: 55 / .585

Aug: 50 / 1.020

Sep: 100 / .656

 

Outside of a flukey 50 plate appearances in August, he was bad in every other month including July & September. At this point the physical tools don't matter anymore, every piece of objective data suggests he is the same old horrible baseball player he's always been, exit velocity be damned.

 

I'd love you to provide a single example of a player who was a sub-.700 career OPS hitter across three full seasons while providing negative defensive or base-running value that was given a fourth season and suddenly figured it out.

[Dick Allen]

I'm all for the age argument if he had shown some progress but he simply hasn't. Look at the stats I provided, he was just as bad last year as he's ever been. 1,500 plate appearances are typically enough time to judge a player who has not improved in the slightest. And I don't buy this 2nd half argument. Below are his plate appearances and OPS by month last year.

 

Apr: 79 / .691

May: 82 / .720

Jun: 87 / .578

Jul: 55 / .585

Aug: 50 / 1.020

Sep: 100 / .656

 

Outside of a flukey 50 plate appearances in August, he was bad in every other month including July & September. At this point the physical tools don't matter anymore, every piece of objective data suggests he is the same old horrible baseball player he's always been, exit velocity be damned.

 

I'd love you to provide a single example of a player who was a sub-.700 career OPS hitter across three full seasons while providing negative defensive or base-running value that was given a fourth season and suddenly figured it out.

Jose Bautista. But it is pretty rare.