DirtySox Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Bob Nightengale @BNightengale The #Nats are actually trying to trade for Chris Sale AND Andrew McCutchen and believe they have the prospects to pull off both trades. Wat. How. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Bob NightengaleVerified account @BNightengale The #Nats are actually trying to trade for Chris Sale AND Andrew McCutchen and believe they have the prospects to pull off both trades. at least they believe it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 07:45 PM) Bob NightengaleVerified account @BNightengale The #Nats are actually trying to trade for Chris Sale AND Andrew McCutchen and believe they have the prospects to pull off both trades. at least they believe it... It's possible...IF they are willing to trade Turner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 07:45 PM) Bob Nightengale @BNightengale The #Nats are actually trying to trade for Chris Sale AND Andrew McCutchen and believe they have the prospects to pull off both trades. Wat. How. Unless Turner is involved good luck with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 07:45 PM) Bob NightengaleVerified account @BNightengale The #Nats are actually trying to trade for Chris Sale AND Andrew McCutchen and believe they have the prospects to pull off both trades. at least they believe it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I think they'll ship out some excess pitching to make it happen. Ross in particular, plus Gio/Roark should net a good return in this market. Could be a 3-team deal for Sale even, Hahn loves those. They also might dangle Espinosa, with the same goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Username @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 07:52 PM) I think they'll ship out some excess pitching to make it happen. Ross in particular, plus Gio/Roark should net a good return in this market. Could be a 3-team deal for Sale even, Hahn loves those. They also might dangle Espinosa, with the same goal. I was thinking the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Username @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 08:52 PM) I think they'll ship out some excess pitching to make it happen. Ross in particular, plus Gio/Roark should net a good return in this market. Could be a 3-team deal for Sale even, Hahn loves those. They also might dangle Espinosa, with the same goal. Maybe Ross/Gio, Robles, Giolito ++ and then turn around and deal Ross/Gio for prospects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 JJ Cooper @jjcoop36 Hmm, Lopez/Robles/Giolito/Fedde/Kieboom/Dunning/Neuse/Stevenson...Still hard to see how they could do both, but Nats are creative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 05:59 PM) JJ Cooper @jjcoop36 Hmm, Lopez/Robles/Giolito/Fedde/Kieboom/Dunning/Neuse/Stevenson...Still hard to see how they could do both, but Nats are creative. Fine, I'll bite: Pirates get: Giolito Espinoza Lopez Gio Gonzalez Nationals Get: Sale Robertson Cutch White Sox Get: Turner, Glasnow, Robles, Feede, Bell, Stevenson Edited December 5, 2016 by hi8is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I'll throw up if Nationals get Cutch and Sale without trading Sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Man, if Hahn got Turner, I'd jump for joy. Only way I see them getting both in order to less what goes to Chicago, so they can move some prospects to PIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 09:14 PM) Fine, I'll bite: Pirates get: Giolito Espinoza Lopez Gio Gonzalez Nationals Get: Sale Robertson Cutch White Sox Get: Turner, Glasnow, Robles, Feede, Bell, Stevenson Washington would be insane to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 09:55 PM) Washington would be insane to do that. Adding those 3 pieces virtually guarantees them a trip to the NLCS. They're in a position to compete, not worry about prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 09:58 PM) Adding those 3 pieces virtually guarantees them a trip to the NLCS. They're in a position to compete, not worry about prospects. I don't think Cutch is an upgrade over Turner looking to next year. So they'd literally sell their top 5 prospects plus Turner and Gio off their roster? I mean, I would take it but I can't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 08:33 PM) Any of Turner, Moncada, Benintendi, Urias, or Bregman and I'll be a happy man It wouldn't guarantee my happiness. If the other pieces are crap then its a one for one deal essentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 08:55 PM) Washington would be insane to do that. Washington is also insane thinking they can get Cutch and Sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 09:27 PM) Washington is also insane thinking they can get Cutch and Sale. All depends if they're willing to give up Turner, which I seriously doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 07:30 PM) All depends if they're willing to give up Turner, which I seriously doubt. Question for you...obviously TT had a hell of a half-season, but what do we think his ceiling really is? Is he really the kind of player he showed himself to be last year in 73 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Just looking at the Nats' lineup, it seems that they really need Turner. The Astros, in contrast, seem that they could cover Bergman's spot with other players. Regardless, there aren't many "can't miss" prospects (basically Turner, Swanson, Bregman and I guess Benintendi belongs in that category). If Hahn has to move off one of those, which I suspect he will, I really hope he is willing to take more prospects (elite ones) rather than taking more established major leaguers (Springer, Odor) so that this org can be properly rebuilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 09:46 PM) Question for you...obviously TT had a hell of a half-season, but what do we think his ceiling really is? Is he really the kind of player he showed himself to be last year in 73 games? I don't think the HRs are legit, but the rest of his game appears to be. We're talking about a potential All-Star SS or CF and it could happen in the very near future. I would expect some regression/struggles next year, which is the only reason they may consider trading him, but personally I think his ceiling & floor are both too high to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 08:04 PM) I don't think the HRs are legit, but the rest of his game appears to be. We're talking about a potential All-Star SS or CF and it could happen in the very near future. I would expect some regression/struggles next year, which is the only reason they may consider trading him, but personally I think his ceiling & floor are both too high to move. I think All-Star is an understatement...the numbers he put up last year are HOF type numbers. Obviously I get it's just a half season, but that kind of speed and power, along with that type of batting average is pretty unheard of. Say he comes down to earth and becomes a 12-18 homer guy...if he hits .315 with 40-50 SB for the next several years...that's Rickey Henderson-esque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 10:08 PM) I think All-Star is an understatement...the numbers he put up last year are HOF type numbers. Obviously I get it's just a half season, but that kind of speed and power, along with that type of batting average is pretty unheard of. Say he comes down to earth and becomes a 12-18 homer guy...if he hits .315 with 40-50 SB for the next several years...that's Rickey Henderson-esque. I'm actually fine with keeping sale if the offers aren't good enough. We can always put him on the block at the deadline and see what a contender would offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 10:00 PM) Just looking at the Nats' lineup, it seems that they really need Turner. The Astros, in contrast, seem that they could cover Bergman's spot with other players. Regardless, there aren't many "can't miss" prospects (basically Turner, Swanson, Bregman and I guess Benintendi belongs in that category). If Hahn has to move off one of those, which I suspect he will, I really hope he is willing to take more prospects (elite ones) rather than taking more established major leaguers (Springer, Odor) so that this org can be properly rebuilt. There are still packages out there I would take without a true untouchable. The Nationals could build something around Giolito, Robles, & Lopez. The Astros could build something around Martes, Reed, & Tucker. Obviously I'd prefer getting a package headlined by a Bregman or Benintendi, and would push hard for it if I was Hahn, but the packages mentioned above would still be wins for us IMO. I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 11:15 PM) I'm actually fine with keeping sale if the offers aren't good enough. We can always put him on the block at the deadline and see what a contender would offer. Yes, I wish more fans thought this way. We all want this rebuild to commence immediately and with a bang, but trading him next season is certainly an option. It's not now or never. It's now or anytime during the next year give or take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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