KMule2545 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:16 AM) Lots of people these days saying that post TJS guys are actually safer, and their elbows stronger. I don't disagree with what you're saying - but its not that cut and dry any more. Cole and Ross and intriguing, for sure, but we'd only have 4 or 5 years of control on Ross. 5 years of control on Ross, FYI. He has a little over 1 year of service time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 If nats miss on melancon (who's close w/ SF via @Ken_Rosenthal ) perhaps more likely they step up for sale, cutch https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/805824415820816385 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I wonder if Nationals would be interested in Robertson or Jones with Sale since Melancon is going to the Giants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:25 AM) If nats miss on melancon (who's close w/ SF via @Ken_Rosenthal ) perhaps more likely they step up for sale, cutch https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/805824415820816385 Okay. Make Turner available and maybe something can happen. No way they get both Sale and Cutch without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:19 AM) 5 years of control on Ross, FYI. He has a little over 1 year of service time. Thanks. Robles, Giolito, Ross, Cole/Lopez, Severino and a wildcard offensive piece (one of Kieboom/Nuese/Stevenson/Ward/Banks). Maybe that is too much, but that's what I'd expect without Turner. Let's them keep one of Cole/Lopez..I assume they'd keep Lopez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 10:13 AM) Can someone tell me why Washington is so appealing if Turner isn't involved? Giolito has already had TJ and didn't do much of anything at the big league level, and Robles is a 19 year old in A ball. The Sox can't develop a player like him. Turner is a condition precedent to trade talk with the Nationals involving Sale. If he isn't, then it's - " thank you for calling but I have Dave Dumbrowski on the other line." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:27 AM) Thanks. Robles, Giolito, Ross, Cole/Lopez, Severino and a wildcard offensive piece (one of Kieboom/Nuese/Stevenson/Ward/Banks). Maybe that is too much, but that's what I'd expect without Turner. Let's them keep one of Cole/Lopez..I assume they'd keep Lopez. I'm with you. It should hurt any team acquiring Sale to pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:25 AM) I wonder if Nationals would be interested in Robertson or Jones with Sale since Melancon is going to the Giants This is a great idea in principle but Washington would have to allow the Sox to clean out their system for me to consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:28 AM) Turner is a condition precedent to trade talk with the Nationals involving Sale. If he isn't, then it's - " thank you for calling but I have Dave Dumbrowski on the other line." Then you're never going to get a deal done. Turner just put up 3.5 WAR in a half season and is under control for six more years. Why would the Nats trade him and then some for Sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 08:22 PM) I'll throw up if Nationals get Cutch and Sale without trading Sale. would you throw up because of how confusing this post is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:28 AM) This is a great idea in principle but Washington would have to allow the Sox to clean out their system for me to consider it. For Robertson? No. It'd be like 1 extra piece. And they pay the 2/25 contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:32 AM) Then you're never going to get a deal done. Turner just put up 3.5 WAR in a half season and is under control for six more years. Why would the Nats trade him and then some for Sale? Because pitching wins in the playoffs. WAR means nothing after October 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:34 AM) would you throw up because of how confusing this post is? Obviously part of three team deal where Nats acquire sale, then use Sale to trade Sale to another team for prospects to acquire sale and then claim tampering to allow them to reacquire Sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:26 AM) Okay. Make Turner available and maybe something can happen. No way they get both Sale and Cutch without him. I don't think Cutch has the value that people think. He's not good defensively anymore, wants to play CF, and was a negative WAR player last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:37 AM) For Robertson? No. It'd be like 1 extra piece. And they pay the 2/25 contract. I was talking about Jones. But I think they could get more than 1 piece for DRob in this market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:37 AM) For Robertson? No. It'd be like 1 extra piece. And they pay the 2/25 contract. Robertson would perfectly fit their supposed 2 year window with Haper under team control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:38 AM) I don't think Cutch has the value that people think. He's not good defensively anymore, wants to play CF, and was a negative WAR player last year. Early post season report had the White Sox giving up Burdi Or Fullmer for him in a one for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:38 AM) I don't think Cutch has the value that people think. He's not good defensively anymore, wants to play CF, and was a negative WAR player last year. Yep he was almost at -30 in DRS last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:38 AM) I don't think Cutch has the value that people think. He's not good defensively anymore, wants to play CF, and was a negative WAR player last year. Agreed. I think Cole / Lopez and a back-end top 10 would be enough to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 12:40 PM) Early post season report had the White Sox giving up Burdi Or Fullmer for him in a one for one. Huh? What reports saying the Sox are buyers? I don't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:38 AM) Because pitching wins in the playoffs. WAR means nothing after October 1st. The stat doesn't, but 7 WAR players sure do. If that's what they think they have in Turner, they're not going to trade him plus top prospects for Sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:44 AM) Huh? What reports saying the Sox are buyers? I don't believe it. It was right after the season ended and was speculative that if the Sox did in fact try to go for ti in 2017 McCutchen would be a fit and that was the price. I can't recall where I read it but I believe it was out of Pittsbugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Reports of a "mystery team" in on Cutch. If they were going for it, this would be a total Sox move. But that doesn't appear to be the direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:45 AM) The stat doesn't, but 7 WAR players sure do. If that's what they think they have in Turner, they're not going to trade him plus top prospects for Sale. I understand Washington's reluctance to include Turner in a package. He is a player they really want to keep. That being said, without him in the deal they will really have to overwhelm the White Sox with a 5-6 player offer to get them to agree. Realistically an offer of Ross, Giolito, Robles, Lopez or Fedde, and Kieboom or Neuse would get the White Sox attention. Atlanta could be interesting. I get not wanting to part with Swanson, but if they put Albies, Maitan and Newcomb + more in a package it could work. Each team might be able to take a player off the table like Turner and Swanson, but you can't have other untouchables after that and expect a deal to get done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 There was an article by a Washington Beat Writer that was suggesting they are trying to go after both players without giving up Robles and Turner. I have no idea how that's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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