shakes Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (mataipaepae @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:38 AM) Yeah but Basabe comes in very similar to Robles. And you add Moncada who probably ends up at 3rd. And Kooech with a big arm. Based on what? Numbers and scouting disagree. Everything about Robles is ahead of Basabe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mataipaepae Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:39 AM) I also prefer the Boston package but the bolded segment is very debatable. Similar does not mean equal to. Obviously Robles is better. But they are similar still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mataipaepae Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (shakes @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:47 AM) Based on what? Numbers and scouting disagree. Everything about Robles is ahead of Basabe. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (mataipaepae @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:48 AM) Similar does not mean equal to. Obviously Robles is better. But they are similar still. I mean, they both play center field and are young. I like Basabe, but to read about Robles is to talk about a pure baseball player who is dynamic on base paths, gets on base in anyway he can and is intelligent with two strikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 https://twitter.com/MarkZuckerman/status/806116929975058432 @MarkZuckerman #Nats have made their offer, now waiting for #WhiteSox to take it or leave it. Didn't see this in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:54 AM) https://twitter.com/MarkZuckerman/status/806116929975058432 @MarkZuckerman #Nats have made their offer, now waiting for #WhiteSox to take it or leave it. Didn't see this in here. The Nats leak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (mataipaepae @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) Really? Robles grades as a 60 hit tool, where Basabe currently grades as a 45 hit tool...which is a big difference A 60 hit grade is certainly plus, a 45 grade is fringe average Robles has a significantly higher ceiling due to the plus hiot tool and lower strikeout rates. His speed is also a 70 grade, which is elite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mataipaepae Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:53 AM) I mean, they both play center field and are young. I like Basabe, but to read about Robles is to talk about a pure baseball player who is dynamic on base paths, gets on base in anyway he can and is intelligent with two strikes. No doubt Robles is the better prospect. But getting Basabe as a third piece is very nice. He has a very similar game to Robles, just not as polished. But comes with better power right now. And plays centerfield. And is only 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mataipaepae Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:56 AM) Robles grades as a 60 hit tool, where Basabe currently grades as a 45 hit tool...which is a big difference A 60 hit grade is certainly plus, a 45 grade is fringe average Robles has a significantly higher ceiling due to the plus hiot tool and lower strikeout rates. His speed is also a 70 grade, which is elite Yeah I get that. I was being a smart ass. You guys are reading way too much into what I said. Similar does not mean equal too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyAcosta41 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 In the World According to Me ... if the Sox are going to give up the rarity of a true ace who is also incredibly cost-efficient for three full years ... the return from the team getting such a prize needs to be special. Perhaps special might mean a special position player (talent + contract), for example Turner, Benintendi, Bregman, or Swanson (that's my preferred order), plus some reasonable sweetener because Sale's track record warrants it. Or, if the Sox decide that by abstaining from focusing on that "one special guy" they benefit by a quantity (plus more speculative quality) focused transaction, then the focus NEEDS to be on positional talent. That's where things are lacking; that's been the achilles heel. If we go that route, something like Moncada, Devers, Basabe would be the template -- 3-4 positional advanced top prospects who project as better than average major league starters (knowing that 1-2 might never achieve that level). I agree the Sox haven't done a lot to warrant our faith in their trading and/or talent evaluation abilities, but I have guarded confidence that they understand better than any of us that Sale is a once in a decade type of trading chip (if not even more valuable than that) and they aren't going to trade him unless they feel VERY GOOD about the return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Mark Zuckerman @MarkZuckerman 6m6 minutes ago Sense here this morning is #WhiteSox are comfortable dragging out Sale talks, want to see if any other clubs can top #Nats offer. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:16 AM) Mark Zuckerman @MarkZuckerman 6m6 minutes ago Sense here this morning is #WhiteSox are comfortable dragging out Sale talks, want to see if any other clubs can top #Nats offer. Yup. Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I'm higher on the Nats package than most, but this is good to hear. Makes me think there's still a legitimate chance someone jumps in, since sitting on your hands makes little sense otherwise. Though this does smell like posturing to an extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:16 AM) Mark Zuckerman @MarkZuckerman 6m6 minutes ago Sense here this morning is #WhiteSox are comfortable dragging out Sale talks, want to see if any other clubs can top #Nats offer. Yup. As they should but they still have to be careful that teams do not just move on because they have a larger scope to think about here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Username @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:19 AM) I'm higher on the Nats package than most, but this is good to hear. Makes me think there's still a legitimate chance someone jumps in, since sitting on your hands makes little sense otherwise. Though this does smell like posturing to an extent. Could also be Nats sense Sox may be shopping it and want sox to refocus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Mark ZuckermanVerified account @MarkZuckerman Sense here this morning is #WhiteSox are comfortable dragging out Sale talks, want to see if any other clubs can top #Nats offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) Still think this is posturing in order for the Nats to give up Turner or the Braves to give Swanson, Astros Bregman, etc. Edited December 6, 2016 by Soxnfins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 If that guy from the Red Sox forum is right about Moncada/Kopech/Basabe, I think I'd still do the Nats deal with Giolito/Robles + If Red Sox kick in Devers+ then I'd be all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Fan promotion idea: Allow 3 fans to shadow the GM during winter meetings, but take away their cellphone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:21 AM) If that guy from the Red Sox forum is right about Moncada/Kopech/Basabe, I think I'd still do the Nats deal with Giolito/Robles + If Red Sox kick in Devers+ then I'd be all for it. Or do that for Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footlongcomiskeydog Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:54 AM) https://twitter.com/MarkZuckerman/status/806116929975058432 @MarkZuckerman #Nats have made their offer, now waiting for #WhiteSox to take it or leave it. Didn't see this in here. Have a feeling the Sox are gonna leave it. The Sox are asking for Turner and the Nats aren't budging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Rumors of the Nats trading Gio to the Yankees. Maybe Rizzo needs the prospects to complete the Sale trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:30 AM) Rumors of the Nats trading Gio to the Yankees. Maybe Rizzo needs the prospects to complete the Sale trade. Gio Gonzalez, right? Not Giolito? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) Gio Gonzalez, right? Not Giolito? Rutherford would be a nice add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:30 AM) Rumors of the Nats trading Gio to the Yankees. Maybe Rizzo needs the prospects to complete the Sale trade. Wouldn't it be funny if they dealt Gio and we screwed them back for the supposive Edwin Jackson/Adam Dunn deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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