Legitimate chance of Sale trade to #Nationals per Rosenthal

[Kalapse]

Personally, I believe the most prudent move is to freak the f*** out right now and jump to every s***ty conclusion. This will lead to maximum enjoyment of hot stove season!

[Two-Gun Pete]

Holy s***. Mind blown. "Sucking out loud" in a handful of Major League starts at age 21 really makes players super sh*** these days. Read a damn scouting report on Robles then report back to us.

Fangraphs has his FV as all of 40, largely owing to his hit tool being judged as being below average.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF

 

In other words, his FV is roughly equivalent to Charlie Tilson.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-21-pros...cago-white-sox/

Edited December 6, 2016 by Two-Gun Pete

[Real]

Personally, I believe the most prudent move is to freak the f*** out right now and jump to every s***ty conclusion. This will lead to maximum enjoyment of hot stove season!

 

well the s***ty responses are based on what little information we have from Heyman/Sherman/Nightengale/Merkin tweets.

[OmarComing25]

Fangraphs has his FV as all of 40, largely owing to his hit tool being judged as being below average.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF

 

In other words, his FV is roughly equivalent to Charlie Tilson.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-21-pros...cago-white-sox/

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/katoh-proje...nals-prospects/

 

Where are you seeing 40? It says 60+ here.

[Chicago White Sox]

Holy s***. Mind blown. "Sucking out loud" in a handful of Major League starts at age 21 really makes players super sh*** these days. Read a damn scouting report on Robles then report back to us.

Don't even waste your time with this guy. Let him be an idiot if he wants to be one.

[Dunt]

Fangraphs has his FV as all of 40, largely owing to his hit tool being judged as being below average.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF

 

In other words, his FV is roughly equivalent to Charlie Tilson.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-21-pros...cago-white-sox/

 

You are embarrassing yourself

[southsideirish71]

I dont know whats more entertaining the actual trade banter or the panic screams from the tin foil hats.

 

OMG HE WENT 0-4 IN HIS FIRST GAME. CUT HIM.

 

 

[KMule2545]

Fangraphs has his FV as all of 40, largely owing to his hit tool being judged as being below average.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF

 

In other words, his FV is roughly equivalent to Charlie Tilson.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-21-pros...cago-white-sox/

 

Pipeline had him as the player with the 2nd best tools in the game, behind Buxton and in front of guys like Moncada and Mateo and Arcia.

 

http://www.federalbaseball.com/2016/2/3/10...ts-in-raw-tools

 

"He was a very high-energy player who showed quick-twitch actions, very good feel for hitting at a young age and was just an exciting young player with raw tools and a lot of potential,” Scialabba said. “The way he stood out was because of how he played the game in all facets, with a lot of energy"

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.baseballamer.../%3Famphtml%3D1

Edited December 6, 2016 by Ro Da Don

[Jake]

The role of Trea Turner here is interesting as it pertains to negotiations.

 

On one hand, you could see the holding out Turner as an untouchable could be a ploy by the Nats. Get the Sox nice and thirsty for Turner until at the last moment you allow Turner in the deal but greatly restrict the secondary talent. This would especially make sense if the Nats actually are higher on Giolito or Robles than Turner but are playing up general public opinion on the involved players.

 

On the other hand, you could also imagine the Sox putting Turner on a pedestal for the specific purpose of pushing the Nats into giving up more secondary pieces. Convince them that the Sox are really taking a hit by not getting Turner and to give them the equivalent in value to Turner without actually giving him up, they will need to include the majority of their top 100-caliber players.

[Kalapse]

well the s***ty responses are based on what little information we have from Heyman/Sherman/Nightengale/Merkin tweets.

It's midnight on the first night of winter meetings, just control your expectations for half sec and show a modicum of patience.

[Jake]

Fangraphs has his FV as all of 40, largely owing to his hit tool being judged as being below average.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF

 

In other words, his FV is roughly equivalent to Charlie Tilson.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-21-pros...cago-white-sox/

 

The evaluation of Robles you're looking at it is nearly 2 years old. Bear in mind that means the player was 17 at the time.

[Buehrle>Wood]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/katoh-proje...nals-prospects/

 

Where are you seeing 40? It says 60+ here.

Your link is from April to be fair and his does say 40 at top of his current player page. I don't know what the discrepancy is. If I had to guess is having a "poor" even half a season a low level changed it quite a bit.

[Kalapse]

I dont know whats more entertaining the actual trade banter or the panic screams from the tin foil hats.

 

OMG HE WENT 0-4 IN HIS FIRST GAME. CUT HIM.

How are things?

[Blackout Friday]

Fangraphs has his FV as all of 40, largely owing to his hit tool being judged as being below average.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF

 

In other words, his FV is roughly equivalent to Charlie Tilson.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-21-pros...cago-white-sox/

The scouting reports on the player pages are outdated, back when Kiley was doing lists. Don't bother with them. Robles' stock has skyrocketed.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Fangraphs has his FV as all of 40, largely owing to his hit tool being judged as being below average.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF

 

In other words, his FV is roughly equivalent to Charlie Tilson.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-21-pros...cago-white-sox/

 

Those grades were given by Kylie McDaniel almost 2 years ago. No idea why Fangraphs still uses them if they don't get updated.

 

EDIT: It even says right above the grades, "Reported January 2015"

Edited December 6, 2016 by ChiliIrishHammock24

[Two-Gun Pete]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/katoh-proje...nals-prospects/

 

Where are you seeing 40? It says 60+ here.

Your link was from before the 2016 season; his player page has his FV as 40.

 

At the end of the day, if these two are the "centerpiece" of a trade for Sale, then Id say that this suggested trade is hardly "franchise altering."

[southsideirish71]

How are things?

 

Things are good. How are things with you. Interesting times ahead no matter what.

 

 

[OmarComing25]

Your link is from April to be fair and his does say 40 at top of his current player page. I don't know what the discrepancy is. If I had to guess is having a "poor" even half a season a low level changed it quite a bit.

Ah I didn't notice the 40 at the top of the player page. That seems outdated, there's no way his stock dropped from 60 to 40 since April.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

For those suddenly freaking out over 2 year old scouting grades on Robles....here is a recent one from MLB Pipeline...

 

"Scouting grades: Hit: 60 | Power: 45 | Run: 70 | Arm: 65 | Field: 60 | Overall: 60"

 

They rank him the 10th best prospect in all of baseball. Giolito is 3rd best.

[Chicago White Sox]

Real talk, but can anyone name a single trade where a team got two top 10-15 prospects? There's only been a handful of these guys moved in the past decade, so I seriously doubt it's ever happened. Therefore, getting two top 10-15 prospects would pretty much be unprecedented. And despite that, people b**** these guys aren't appropriate centerpieces.

[Two-Gun Pete]

The scouting reports on the player pages are outdated, back when Kiley was doing lists. Don't bother with them. Robles' stock has skyrocketed.

 

 

Those grades were given by Kylie McDaniel almost 2 years ago. No idea why Fangraphs still uses them if they don't get updated.

 

EDIT: It even says right above the grades, "Reported January 2015"

I do see that now. However, he still only put up a .741 OPS in his 3rd MiLB season, which does not scream "franchise altering" in the least.

 

I still hate this as a suggested return for a Cy Young contender, particularly give his age and surplus value.

 

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Ah I didn't notice the 40 at the top of the player page. That seems outdated, there's no way his stock dropped from 60 to 40 since April.

 

It didn't those grades are 23 months old.

[Buehrle>Wood]

Real talk, but can anyone name a single trade where a team got two top 10-15 prospects? There's only been a handful of these guys moved in the past decade, so I seriously doubt it's ever happened. Therefore, getting two top 10-15 prospects would pretty much be unprecedented. And despite that, people b**** these guys aren't appropriate centerpieces.

Trading a Chris Sale is also unprecedented

[Kalapse]

Things are good. How are things with you. Interesting times ahead no matter what.

I'm doing well, good to hear you are as well, contemplating my place in this selective universe. Definitely interesting.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

I do see that now. However, he still only put up a .741 OPS in his 3rd MiLB season, which does not scream "franchise altering" in the least.

 

I still hate this as a suggested return for a Cy Young contender, particularly give his age and surplus value.

 

Before you hurl yourself off the Dan-Ryan, just know only 2 other teams can provide a base package of TWO top 10 prospects in all of baseball.

 

Nats - Giolito #3, Robles #10

Red Sox - Moncada #1, Benintendi #5

Pirates - Glasnow #8, Meadows #9

 

This isn't some s*** package, halfway through the rumored offering.

Edited December 6, 2016 by ChiliIrishHammock24