bmags Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) MLB, union would need to modify CBA for Otani to come as free agent. CBA overrides new posting system MLB must negotiate with Japanese.— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) December 5, 2016 I would be fine with ungodly sums to go to Otani if it meant the White Sox could sign him. I know, I know, will never happen. But man I hope a team that isn't the cubs/red sox/dodgers/yankees sign him. For Otani to come over, MLB would have to negotiate new posting agreement, then a new rule. He isn't coming for 4.75-5.75M!— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) December 5, 2016 Sources told Yahoo Sports this week that there are potential ways around the limit on spending for under-25 players like Shohei Otani.— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) December 5, 2016 Edited December 12, 2016 by bmags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coco1997 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:47 AM) MLB, union would need to modify CBA for Otani to come as free agent. CBA overrides new posting system MLB must negotiate with Japanese.— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) December 5, 2016 I would be fine with ungodly sums to go to Otani if it meant the White Sox could sign him. I know, I know, will never happen. But man I hope a team that isn't the cubs/red sox/dodgers/yankees sign him. For Otani to come over, MLB would have to negotiate new posting agreement, then a new rule. He isn't coming for 4.75-5.75M!— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) December 5, 2016 Sources told Yahoo Sports this week that there are potential ways around the limit on spending for under-25 players like Shohei Otani.— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) December 5, 2016 Seems like a total Cubs signing just waiting to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (coco1997 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 01:56 PM) Seems like a total Cubs signing just waiting to happen. I would be surprised if the White Sox weren't at least interested based on their pursuit of Tanaka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Seems like an ace to go after for a rebuild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 01:09 PM) Seems like an ace to go after for a rebuild Maybe, but also seems like a player to draw attention to a middling franchise. Let him play 2 ways, and let the team build up to 2019. Otani succeeding would put global eyes on white sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 2017= this off-season?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) 2017= this off-season?? 2017 offseason, so following next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 04:00 PM) 2017 offseason, so following next year. Depending on what site you look at (I'm looking at you baseball reference), that could mean this offseason. But I understood it in this case otherwise we would have already heard this news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Liquidate everything and sign him. A player this valuable essentially breaks the game. Enabling him to play both sides of the ball at a high level would be unreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 So the CBA wont be modified for him but he seems to be coming anyways. Interest level here should be high, and it'll be weird to see who he picks when money cant be the deciding factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 As a baseball fan, I hope he goes to the National League. His bat is just as good as his arm. Well, maybe not as good, but its damn impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 QUOTE (Nokona @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 04:48 PM) Liquidate everything and sign him. A player this valuable essentially breaks the game. Enabling him to play both sides of the ball at a high level would be unreal. Don't even have to liquidate. The Sox have $35M committed to the 2018 season and that includes Quintana, Robertson and the whole dollar amount of Shields' deal (I forget how much the Padres are paying). QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 12:11 PM) As a baseball fan, I hope he goes to the National League. His bat is just as good as his arm. Well, maybe not as good, but its damn impressive. Play him at DH. A pitcher that also hits throughout the week (well) would be a sensation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I was in Japan for my honeymoon in September. I saw three baseball games live, but unfortunately no PL games. I caught a Fighters game on TV in a hotel, though. Otani wasn't pitching, but he ripped a double into the gap. He is a really big kid, and has a lefty uppercut swing, unlike a lot of Ichiro-esque contact hitters in that league. It really looks like it's a swing that will translate to the MLB, in my non-professional opinion. Also, Brandon Laird hit 40+ bombs in the NPB each of the last two seasons for the Fighters, lmao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 If anything the AL may be a better landing spot for him because his bat can play DH on off-days. Or maybe the NL is better because of double switches and pinch hitting. Or maybe Otani cant pinch hit. Or maybe he cant hit at all and this two-way player nonsense is just the same "mysterious talent from the orient with an historic, one-of-a-kind gamebreaking skill" myth that the gyroball was. The issue isn't money, they most he can make from the Sox is $4.75m (and Sox will not be players at all in LatAm for a year). Most he can get from anybody is $5.75m from the small market teams. So he'll go where he just wants to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 12:39 PM) Don't even have to liquidate. The Sox have $35M committed to the 2018 season and that includes Quintana, Robertson and the whole dollar amount of Shields' deal (I forget how much the Padres are paying). Play him at DH. A pitcher that also hits throughout the week (well) would be a sensation. Plus he will only be able to sign for about $6M. More than affordable. The Dodgers, Giants, Astros, Cubs, Royals, Braves, Reds, A's, Padres, and Nationals will all be under penalty and unable to sign a player for more than $300K. The White Sox have the same bonus pool as the Yankees under the new system, which is $4.75M, and they can each trade to have up to $8.3M. The Pirates, Indians, and Orioles could all offer more based on the new formula that assigns slots based on market size and revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 I need to update this. MLB made clear to agents last week there was no Otani exception and I find it highly unlikely he will take that risk. He would make more in Japan no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-mlb-no...-210526575.html Report saying no exception. I think MLB is well run now, but this is so insanely shortsighted and dumb by the owners to not make it easier to sign the worlds best to your league. We are talking about an international superstar when he comes over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) Yea but there have been reports out of Japan that "it is about game" and that he'll come over anyways. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/shohei-otani-...-195230684.html Edited December 12, 2016 by Con te Giolito Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 So the question becomes, would it be worth blowing your entire years signing allotment to bring Otani over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 10:17 AM) So the question becomes, would it be worth blowing your entire years signing allotment to bring Otani over? Probably, yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 So the question becomes, would it be worth blowing your entire years signing allotment to bring Otani over? Yes. 100%. Buuutttt it may not be worth preserving your entire allotment while guys you like sign elsewhere just for a shot at Otani. That's the more pressing question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Yes, we have enough alternative sources for talent with our remaining MLB roster (trade bait) and the next two June drafts. Go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 10:17 AM) So the question becomes, would it be worth blowing your entire years signing allotment to bring Otani over? I think if you sign him and flip him the next winter, you are going to get far better prospects than you would from signing kids on J2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 There's no chance Otani is going to come over for $8 million. He'd get $200 million if he waits until his 25th birthday. That was leaked to see if MLB would change a rule. If they don't, we won't see him until 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 10:54 AM) There's no chance Otani is going to come over for $8 million. He'd get $200 million if he waits until his 25th birthday. That was leaked to see if MLB would change a rule. If they don't, we won't see him until 2019. His contract will expire before then, so his team will want to cash in on him or they risk letting him go for nothing. If they re-sign him, there is no guarantee they will post him again until his next contract is near expiration. In the long run, he makes more money if he comes now, and gets to arbitration quickly as a super two, and will be a FA in 2022 at age 28 when he can really cash in given track record and age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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