Sox/Rockies talking Abreu or Frazier

[steveno89]

They certainly do. Definitely can see them asking for him as a starting point.

 

Hoffman has been too hittable so far in the minors. He needs to improve his command to be successful

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Sox fans probably won't like this, but I would take a package of Kyle Freeland, Tom Murphy (who I've been putting in hypothetical trades for over a year now), and Ben Bowden (teammate of Fulmer).

 

Or just Tapia and Freeland.

[daggins]

Sox fans probably won't like this, but I would take a package of Kyle Freeland, Tom Murphy (who I've been putting in hypothetical trades for over a year now), and Ben Bowden (teammate of Fulmer).

 

Or just Tapia and Freeland.

 

I was just thinking that Tapia + Freeland seems like a pretty good package.

[steveno89]

I was just thinking that Tapia + Freeland seems like a pretty good package.

 

Freelands lack of stikeouts concern me and limit him to a #4 at best starter in my opinion, more likely#5 or long relief

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Freelands lack of stikeouts concern me and limit him to a #4 at best starter in my opinion, more likely#5 or long relief

 

Fangraphs lead prospect writer just wrote up the Rockie system. Small blurb about Freeland....

 

"Freeland’s command is his finest attribute, garnering some future plus-plus grades from scouts. It allows him to get the most out of what is a deep but relatively pedestrian repertoire. His fastball sits in the low 90s with average downhill plane. His upper-80s slider is short and cutterish, but Freeland locates it very well to his glove side both to left- and right-handed hitters and it projects as plus at maturity."

 

Average stuff across the board is fine if you have plus-plus command. Scouts think he's a future #3 or #4 starter. Nothing wrong with that.

[Jake]

I'd be really surprised if the Rox would look at a proposal of Hoffman for Abreu as anything but lunacy.

 

I really like Jose in terms of a fan liking a guy, but he makes a lot of sense as a player to move. He's making money now, isn't under control in the super long term, and at his age we've likely seen the best of him. Get something shiny and send him along.

[caulfield12]

If they're going to compete with Arenado and Carlos Gonzalez, this is their last shot at it.

 

Makes some sense, with the DBacks and Padres retrenching. Of course, that still leaves the Dodgers and Giants to beat.

[Blackout Friday]

I like Tapia and Marquez

[iamshack]

I'd be really surprised if the Rox would look at a proposal of Hoffman for Abreu as anything but lunacy.

 

I really like Jose in terms of a fan liking a guy, but he makes a lot of sense as a player to move. He's making money now, isn't under control in the super long term, and at his age we've likely seen the best of him. Get something shiny and send him along.

In the same sense, you do still have to field a team. If Jose is not really getting much back at this point, to me he is an easy choice to keep around both because he's a good guy and because his bat may be more valuable at a deadline when bats are not so easy to come by.

[MDWhiteSoxFan]

Yes, you would be obligated to change it to whoever he gets traded for.

 

 

Or ThePosterFormerlyKnownAsJose

[caulfield12]

How many bats other than Encarnacion are left on the market?

 

The cost savings as well as the age advantage are worth $35-55 million alone...and signing him's (EE) going to cost a pick or picks...so isn't a hitter in the prime of his career a pretty darned valuable asset if you take off your WAR-colored glasses?

[iamshack]

How many bats other than Encarnacion are left on the market?

 

The cost savings as well as the age advantage are worth $35-55 million alone...and signing him's (EE) going to cost a pick or picks...so isn't a hitter in the prime of his career a pretty darned valuable asset if you take off your WAR-colored glasses?

Considering guys like Beltran and Holiday are getting deals for $16 and $13 million, yes, one would think so?

 

However, the value being given to prospects right now is so great that teams are willing to find one year type stopgaps, even if they have to pay a premium in cash, to hold on to those prospects.

 

Unless you get something you really like right now, I'd just as much hold onto him and move him in July either this year or next year.

[SCCWS]

How many bats other than Encarnacion are left on the market?

 

The cost savings as well as the age advantage are worth $35-55 million alone...and signing him's (EE) going to cost a pick or picks...so isn't a hitter in the prime of his career a pretty darned valuable asset if you take off your WAR-colored glasses?

 

Napoli who may be somone Boston will go after if EE is too expensive.

 

[Balta1701]

Napoli who may be somone Boston will go after if EE is too expensive.

Bautista.

[bmags]

Kinda feel like this is same thread:

Add one more potential 1B option for #Rockies to list reported by @harding_at_mlb: Todd Frazier. Rox could acquire him and play him at 1B.

— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) December 6, 2016

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[chw42]

I think we should hold off on trading Abreu. He ended last season hot, maybe he can up his stock with a nice first half in 2017.

[Whisox05]

Per @harding_at_mlb, #Rockies already talking to #WhiteSox about Abreu. Frazier, as potential FA, would come at lower acquisition cost.

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/806278922304425985

[southsider2k5]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 6m6 minutes ago Per @harding_at_mlb, #Rockies already talking to #WhiteSox about Abreu. Frazier, as potential FA, would come at lower acquisition cost.

 

 

[GreenSox]

I'd be really surprised if the Rox would look at a proposal of Hoffman for Abreu as anything but lunacy.

i don't see why, on a value basis.

That said, Rox need their pitching; go after their position prospects.

[jenksycat]

I think we should hold off on trading Abreu. He ended last season hot, maybe he can up his stock with a nice first half in 2017.

 

Gotta hope EE/Bautista/Trumbo don't sign for peanuts and tank Abreu's value

[bmags]

Gotta hope EE/Bautista/Trumbo don't sign for peanuts and tank Abreu's value

 

Wondering if Bautista will go for biggest deal or reasonable deal + contender.

[jenksycat]

Wondering if Bautista will go for biggest deal or reasonable deal + contender.

 

Last big contract, "only" made 85mil in his career...I'd bet he goes for the cash.

[chitownsportsfan]

Last big contract, "only" made 85mil in his career...I'd bet he goes for the cash.

 

He will, no doubt. Especially as going to a contender in baseball is a crap shoot given the nature of the playoff structure.

[Balta1701]

I can't see Frazier being a fit for the Rockies at all. You're overspending on a guy who can play 3b in order to move him to 1b and then let him walk as a free agent?

 

I can come up with probably 10 teams Frazier is a better fit for. The point of Abreu is that he's on your team for 3/$45 ish and you can even cut that to 2/$28 ish if he gets hurt so his contract is nice and insured. That makes a ton more sense for the Rockies, as with several other teams.

 

I've felt for a while that he's a perfect fit for Cleveland. Lots of talent in their org, opening at 1b, would prefer the cost controlled guy compared to the big splash, no draft pick to give up as with EE. But you'd have to trade in the division.

[Jose Abreu]

I can't see Frazier being a fit for the Rockies at all. You're overspending on a guy who can play 3b in order to move him to 1b and then let him walk as a free agent?

To be fair, Frazier has played plenty of 1B, especially in Cincy