Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) Pretty sure the bulk of that is sunk costs for Boston at this point, certainly the signing bonus and penalty. It's sort of funny, to date, Boston has probably paid more for Moncada than we have for Sale. Yeah the money is done. They paid Moncada his signing bonus and MLB the penalty tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:33 PM) He's never played in AAA before. I think he'll start in AAA. He was in the majors last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:29 AM) Aaron Rowand 15 years ago. Yeah, this has to be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:32 PM) Dombrowski probably just wrapped up Executive of the Year Award. He gets a sure fire Cy Young candidate and doesn't give up one guy from his major league roster. So how about giving the credit to the guys who actually built up Boston's farm system? DD was handed plenty to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:24 PM) Sox also reached out to Derek Holland according to reports This would be a Sox move. Rehab & potentially flip/keep. Miguel Gonzalez, Humber, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) Pretty sure the bulk of that is sunk costs for Boston at this point, certainly the signing bonus and penalty. It's sort of funny, to date, Boston has probably paid more for Moncada than we have for Sale. Probably? It is not even close. Boston has paid Moncada nearly $65M. The Sox have paid Sale about $20M + original signing bonus. Boston will ahve paid Moncada probably double what he'll make with the Sox over 6-7 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:33 PM) So how about giving the credit to the guys who actually built up Boston's farm system? DD was handed plenty to work with. DD giveth, DD take it away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Technically Boston did give up a guy from their lineup. With Shaw traded Moncada was in line for 3B. But now it's Panda with Devers about 2 years away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:33 PM) This would be a Sox move. Rehab & potentially flip/keep. Miguel Gonzalez, Humber, etc I keep forgetting he exists lol maybe we can flip him for an interesting prospect or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 From that video the obvious comp is Robbie Cano, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:37 PM) So Benintendi or Moncada, who would you have preferred to be involved here? The best prospect in baseball, whom we got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:34 PM) I keep forgetting he exists lol maybe we can flip him for an interesting prospect or two. He should be kept as part of the rebuild imo. He's cheap and offers some upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananarchy Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:34 PM) From that video the obvious comp is Robbie Cano, right? The comps are Cano but faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:34 PM) Technically Boston did give up a guy from their lineup. With Shaw traded Moncada was in line for 3B. But now it's Panda with Devers about 2 years away. I never saw that Moncada was going to start in the MLB next year or ever felt that vibe. I would have put money on him going to AAA. Especially since Panda is there at 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon_44 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:33 PM) So how about giving the credit to the guys who actually built up Boston's farm system? DD was handed plenty to work with. I'm not saying that. He didn't touch his major league roster and landed the best LH in the American League. That's a steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:35 PM) The comps are Cano but faster. I'll take that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:35 PM) I never saw that Moncada was going to start in the MLB next year or ever felt that vibe. I would have put money on him going to AAA. Especially since Panda is there at 3B. Shaw would have been starting. Moncada was the "backup" plan. Panda I think they just wanted to bury. But they cant now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:35 PM) He should be kept as part of the rebuild imo. He's cheap and offers some upside. Trade him and bring him back in 2018 when he is a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Man Frazier just seems perfect for the Red Sox, can't believe he wasn't in the package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 This is from the Red Sox forum: Unless Groome is one of the other prospects, this is way less than any of the fantasy packages we (self included) have been throwing together over the past year. Most feel that they underpaid for this deal (does not happen with normal Red Sox meatheads) They are also skeptical if Moncada will ever figure out how to hit the breaking pitches, strikeout numbers is a concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:36 PM) Man Frazier just seems perfect for the Red Sox, can't believe he wasn't in the package. They have Devers. LAD could use Frazier if Turner signs elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:37 PM) They have Devers. LAD could use Frazier if Turner signs elsewhere. Devers isnt playing this year or next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:35 PM) I'm not saying that. He didn't touch his major league roster and landed the best LH in the American League. That's a steal. Well, that's what you can do with a farm system with the #1, #5, #16, #30, and #67 prospects in baseball, per MLB.com. I believe all those guys except #30 (Groome) pre-dated his tenure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:37 PM) This is from the Red Sox forum: Most feel that they underpaid for this deal (does not happen with normal Red Sox meatheads) They are also skeptical if Moncada will ever figure out how to hit the breaking pitches, strikeout numbers is a concern. Yeah man, I'm pretty nervous about this deal. Nervous, excited, disappointed, sad lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I'm also concerned with Monacada's contact / hit tool but it's hard to argue with him being a great headliner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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