shipps Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:23 PM) Depends how you define "disappoint". He could be disappointing but still be a solid player for multiple years. That's his upside. If it's Garcia-type upside and Moncada winds up sucking, everyone is fired. Even then Kopech may be better than Sale. A big maybe though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:18 PM) In this day and age, it is more than reasonable to think a pitcher is going to get hurt. So many of them do. Kopech is just as likely to blow out his arm as Sale is. I have not seen any proof or correlation of innings pitched to injuries. Not even worth discussing unless there is new evidence or research brought forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) It might never catch up with him. The guy's a freak of nature. I don't think injury risk was that high on the minds of teams that were willing to give up half their farm system for him. He's never had any issues with his arm, especially not as of late. He had some dead arm periods/starts when he first converted to a starter, but that was it. The dead arm issues really never stopped, which is why Coop had him pitching to contact more often than before this past season. This is probably the bigger issue going forward than a potential arm injury due to his mechanics. I'm sure that Dombrowski is aware of this, and it's likely the reason why Hahn didn't get more of Boston's Top 10 prospects in the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:21 PM) Top three prospects in baseball since MLB Pipeline showed up: 2011: Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, Matt Moore 2012: Jurickson Profar, Dylan Bundy, Wil Myers 2013: Byron Buxton, Oscar Taveras, Miguel Sano 2014: Byron Buxton, Carlos Correa, Kris Bryant 2015: Byron Buxton, Corey Seager, Lucas Giolito We should just forget about 2012. And also, the #2 prospects are actually better than the #1s lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:32 PM) In a rebuilding situation, I would love to see him start in AAA until he passes the mark that would give us an extra year of control. Literally there is no good reason for him to be on the opening day roster. Yep getting 7th year of control makes sense I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) It would be very funny to now go get a 5-7 player package from the Yankees built around Clint Frazier and Gleyber Torres for Q. OR, go chat the Nationals up about that Giolito/Robles package for Q. Edited December 6, 2016 by Dam8610 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:25 PM) We should just forget about 2012. And also, the #2 prospects are actually better than the #1s lol With Buxton listed 3 times, yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) Kopech is just as likely to blow out his arm as Sale is. I have not seen any proof or correlation of innings pitched to injuries. Not even worth discussing unless there is new evidence or research brought forward. Maybe, remember Coop and Herm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I'm not worrying about pitching at all for the future. It's almost always there for us. Now we could have a rotation of: Rodon Fulmer Kopech Hansen Stephens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:59 PM) He wasn't overused. Sale and Quintana have thrown roughly the same number of innings over the past few seasons, yet Sale is the one who's been mediocre in September and has had to alter his pitching style to keep his arm fresh. It's not debatable. Sale was second in the league in pitches per start behind Verlander, has throw over 110 pitches 16 times! (that's half of his starts) this season, to only 7 starts for Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:27 PM) It would be very funny to now go get a 5-7 player package from the Yankees built around Clint Frazier and Gleyber Torres for Q. OR, go chat the Nationals up about that Giolito/Robles package for Q. That would be amazing lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:33 PM) I'm not worrying about pitching at all for the future. It's almost always there for us. Now we could have a rotation of: Rodon Fulmer Kopech Hansen Stephens Plus they will likely take another good pitcher in a first or second round in the next couple of drafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) The dead arm issues really never stopped, which is why Coop had him pitching to contact more often than before this past season. This is probably the bigger issue going forward than a potential arm injury due to his mechanics. I'm sure that Dombrowski is aware of this, and it's likely the reason why Hahn didn't get more of Boston's Top 10 prospects in the deal. Funny how everyone starts going on and on about how Sale's arm is going to fall off the second he gets traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:03 PM) Apparently our targets were Betts and Benintendi + in July, that's why no deal. Buster Olney ✔ @Buster_ESPN White Sox get a big haul from BOS -- and it's a step down for what they asked for in July, which included Betts and Benintendi. LOL. A step down from what they asked for in July. Typical White Sox. Usually get less than what they could have gotten. Not judging the trade. I really don't care. The Sox are in the "prove something" stage with me. They've sucked for so long, I'll just wait and see now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:33 PM) I'm not worrying about pitching at all for the future. It's almost always there for us. Now we could have a rotation of: Rodon Fulmer Kopech Hansen Stephens Probably draft a college pitcher next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:33 PM) I'm not worrying about pitching at all for the future. It's almost always there for us. Now we could have a rotation of: Rodon Fulmer Kopech Hansen Stephens Keep Quintana in there until he's traded. Also, man, lefties, where you at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:37 PM) Keep Quintana in there until he's traded. Also, man, lefties, where you at? Only Rodon in there. We'll see what the future brings LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:35 PM) Funny how everyone starts going on and on about how Sale's arm is going to fall off the second he gets traded. Now you are just being bitter. Sale's health has always been a topic of concern, especially when he would get his annual dead arm phase, his extra days off, and this year with the complete change in his pitching style to dial it back so that he could maybe stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:36 PM) Probably draft a college pitcher next year Maybe. Haven't dove into the college prospects quite yet, so I can't speak to that maybe others can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:39 PM) Only Rodon in there. We'll see what the future brings LOL Well, Guerrero is in the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) Kopech is just as likely to blow out his arm as Sale is. I have not seen any proof or correlation of innings pitched to injuries. Not even worth discussing unless there is new evidence or research brought forward. We now have a lot less money in Kopech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:36 PM) LOL. A step down from what they asked for in July. Typical White Sox. Usually get less than what they could have gotten. Not judging the trade. I really don't care. The Sox are in the "prove something" stage with me. They've sucked for so long, I'll just wait and see now. What else could the Sox have gotten? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Chelsa Messinger @ChelsaMessinger 1h1 hour ago Fort Myers, FL Chris Sale's college coach just sent me this. Says he's so excited to join @RedSox https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzBDP0LVEAArYuz.jpg:large Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) To be completely honest, I always envisioned the Sox getting a bigger package in return if they ever traded Sale. I guess it was unrealistic. Moncada is fantastic, it's just that this feels a little top heavy. I thought there would be more depth. That doesn't make this a bad trade, just not the "blow your socks off" kind. Edited December 6, 2016 by Buehrlesque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:40 PM) What else could the Sox have gotten? Dont fall into the Greg hole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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