LittleHurt05 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 12:43 PM) The article I read said they questioned many ex teammates about him, and the response was all positive. If there were negative responses, do really think the Red Sox would have reported it? "The consensus on this guy in the clubhouse was 50-50, but f*** it, we want to win." If only front offices were that honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 12:57 PM) If there were negative responses, do really think the Red Sox would have reported it? "The consensus on this guy in the clubhouse was 50-50, but f*** it, we want to win." If only front offices were that honest. They added Yoan Moncada to their offer. I think that's a pretty good sign the response wasn't he's a clubhouse cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 12:26 PM) Nobody thought Sale was bad in the clubhouse with teammates. He just hates authority. This. He can't handle being told something he doesn't want to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierSox Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Does Moncadas September call up start his service even if he doesn't get called up this year until midseason? Not sure how that works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 And there we go... Daryl Van Schouwen @CST_soxvan 5h5 hours ago Chris Sale on Boston: "Realistic chance of winning the World Series. Dedicated ownership, front office guys committed to winning annually." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (HoosierSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:06 PM) Does Moncadas September call up start his service even if he doesn't get called up this year until midseason? Not sure how that works. Yes September service time counts. Moncada currently has 31 days service time. 172 days service time is considered one full year. A player needs 6 full years before they become a free agent. If the Sox keep him down in the minors long enough to prevent him from achieving 172 days service time before the end of 2017 they will get 7 years out of him instead of 6. There are roughly 183 days (though a player is only allowed to accumulate 172 days of service time per season) in the MLB season. To prevent him from achieving 172 days service time they will have to keep him down about 6 weeks. He will probably end up being a "Super 2" player but all that means is that he will get paid through arbitration for 4 years instead of 3, it doesn't affect how long the Sox have him for. Edited December 7, 2016 by lasttriptotulsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:21 PM) Yes September service time counts. Moncada currently has 31 days service time. 172 days service time is considered one full year. A player needs 6 full years before they become a free agent. If the Sox keep him down in the minors long enough to prevent him from achieving 172 days service time before the end of 2017 they will get 7 years out of him instead of 6. There are roughly 183 days (though a player is only allowed to accumulate 172 days of service time per season) in the MLB season. To prevent him from achieving 172 days service time they will have to keep him down about 6 weeks. He will probably end up being a "Super 2" player but all that means is that he will get paid through arbitration for 4 years instead of 3, it doesn't affect how long the Sox have him for. He is still obviously eligible for ROY when we call him up right? We can have our own Kris Bryant; Minor League player of the year, Rookie of the year, MVP and World Series champion. Edited December 7, 2016 by Frank_Thomas35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Plus since Moncada is already paid I doubt he will care that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:03 PM) This. He can't handle being told something he doesn't want to hear. I think we all have issues with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:14 AM) And there we go... Daryl Van Schouwen @CST_soxvan 5h5 hours ago Chris Sale on Boston: "Realistic chance of winning the World Series. Dedicated ownership, front office guys committed to winning annually." Not a single thing wrong with any of that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:14 PM) And there we go... Daryl Van Schouwen @CST_soxvan 5h5 hours ago Chris Sale on Boston: "Realistic chance of winning the World Series. Dedicated ownership, front office guys committed to winning annually." Ouch. Shots fired. But well deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:54 PM) Ouch. Shots fired. But well deserved. There are no shots fired. He's just praising their organization. If anyone thinks he is taking shots at the White Sox, you might want to actually read the article http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/for-chr...is-bittersweet/ Edited December 7, 2016 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:25 PM) He is still obviously eligible for ROY when we call him up right? We can have our own Kris Bryant; Minor League player of the year, Rookie of the year, MVP and World Series champion. Yes he will be eligible. Players lose rookie eligibility after 130 at bats, 50 innings pitched or 45 on the active roster before September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananarchy Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:54 PM) Ouch. Shots fired. But well deserved. Lol. No. You need a reddit feed We can call it r/outoftouchsoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:00 PM) They added Yoan Moncada to their offer. I think that's a pretty good sign the response wasn't he's a clubhouse cancer. And the Cubs added Gleybar Torres to their Yankees deal because interviews told them that Chapman was a boy scout not because they wanted to win the World Series at all costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:31 PM) And the Cubs added Gleybar Torres to their Yankees deal because interviews told them that Chapman was a boy scout not because they wanted to win the World Series at all costs. I have no idea what that has to do wih it, but OK. Chris Sale is the biggest asshole in baseball. Now you can be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I'm pretty sure Chris is a good dude and well liked in the clubhouse. He's just a crazy person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:35 PM) I'm pretty sure Chris is a good dude and well liked in the clubhouse. He's just a crazy person. Not simple enough for DA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) Not simple enough for DA. You knew this one was coming. The SS2k5 signature post. As one of the guys trying to make Sale a bad guy, maybe you should take his post to heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:02 PM) You knew this one was coming. The SS2k5 signature post. As one of the guys trying to make Sale a bad guy, maybe you should take his post to heart. And there you go, the gross simplification that was never said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:03 PM) This. He can't handle being told something he doesn't want to hear. Which makes him a good co-worker, but a crappy employee. Not surprisingly, he was the first to be shown the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I'm curious what the general impression is here from those who closely follow the Sox minor league system, regarding if they got enough for Sale (Rabbitt for example) I saw this in the Tribune today and it made me wonder: "Red Sox President Dave Dombrowski said Tuesday that when Hahn asked last weekend if he still had interest in Sale, he told Hahn it depended on the price. "Well, we're going to get away from some of the things we have asked for in the past," Hahn told Dombrowski." Let the discussion begin (and if I'm late to the party on this topic I've been on the road the last week with games against Utah State, Colorado and Wisconsin. (Whom ISU actually beat last night at the Kohl Center) Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:01 PM) I'm curious what the general impression is here from those who closely follow the Sox minor league system, regarding if they got enough for Sale (Rabbitt for example) I saw this in the Tribune today and it made me wonder: "Red Sox President Dave Dombrowski said Tuesday that when Hahn asked last weekend if he still had interest in Sale, he told Hahn it depended on the price. "Well, we're going to get away from some of the things we have asked for in the past," Hahn told Dombrowski." Let the discussion begin (and if I'm late to the party on this topic I've been on the road the last week with games against Utah State, Colorado and Wisconsin. (Whom ISU actually beat last night at the Kohl Center) Mark It has been mentioned that in July, Sox asked for one of their acutal 25man roster players, Mookie Bets, Bradley Jr, Benitendi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-so...abreu-white-sox Moncada excited about playing with Abreu, makes me figure he's gonna stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 The #WhiteSox kept asking for #RedSox 3B Rafael Dever in Chris Sale trade, but the RedSox refused. Compromise: Victor Diaz and Luis Basabe. Check out @BNightengale's Tweet: https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/806...0049196032?s=09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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