Balta1701 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:11 PM) If ya can't get anything good for Frazier, you could absolutely sign him and let him man 3rd and mentor the young players. Coaches should not receive the richest contract in franchise history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I would think if we moved Frazier, we'd be talking about Walker or an Austin Barnes....something along those lines. That said, I see very few scenarios where Frazier is moved now. Dodgers are probably the primary landing spot and they won't move on Frazier until Turner's market has settled (nor do I see the other teams looking at Turner moving to Frazier until he moves). Lack of FA market should help us a lot with Frazier. Despite a down year (outside of HR's), I think the weak free agent class will artificially inflate back up his value to where we should get a piece or two that could help us longer term (where as Frazier doesn't help longer term). That said, we need to get enough back that outvalues the pick we'd presumably get with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:28 PM) I would think if we moved Frazier, we'd be talking about Walker or an Austin Barnes....something along those lines. That said, I see very few scenarios where Frazier is moved now. Dodgers are probably the primary landing spot and they won't move on Frazier until Turner's market has settled (nor do I see the other teams looking at Turner moving to Frazier until he moves). Lack of FA market should help us a lot with Frazier. Despite a down year (outside of HR's), I think the weak free agent class will artificially inflate back up his value to where we should get a piece or two that could help us longer term (where as Frazier doesn't help longer term). That said, we need to get enough back that outvalues the pick we'd presumably get with him. You realize that his pick will be after the 2nd round right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) If Turner signs elsewhere, could the Dodgers get desperate and give us one of Bellinger/Joc/Lux? Always been a fan of Alex, he played hs ball at my brother's high school and is from my hometown of Kenosha. Edited December 7, 2016 by Soxnfins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 The thing about the relatively low price for Frazier last year was that it seemed the Sox were the only real suitors for him. At some point, the Reds had to give in on a deal. This year, it seems like there are at least a couple of teams interested, which could help the Sox extract at least one really good prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:30 PM) You realize that his pick will be after the 2nd round right? Yes...which means I don't just trade Frazier for bodies..I need actual players. I also view it that Frazier has potential bounce back upside and we could always move him closer to the deadline. That said, I feel RH has some urgency to fast track all of this, so we are probably going to see more guys moved sooner vs. later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:31 PM) If Turner signs elsewhere, could the Dodgers get desperate and give us one of Bellinger/Joc/Lux? Always been a fan of Alex, he played hs ball at my brother's high school and is from my hometown of Kenosha. Absolutely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:33 PM) Yes...which means I don't just trade Frazier for bodies..I need actual players. I also view it that Frazier has potential bounce back upside and we could always move him closer to the deadline. That said, I feel RH has some urgency to fast track all of this, so we are probably going to see more guys moved sooner vs. later. I mean, I wouldn't trade him for salary relief alone either, I'd want 1 quality prospect of some sort back, but a pick between rounds 2 and 3 isn't something we should be worrying about whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:37 PM) I mean, I wouldn't trade him for salary relief alone either, I'd want 1 quality prospect of some sort back, but a pick between rounds 2 and 3 isn't something we should be worrying about whatsoever. I'm just saying, there is a minimum we have to be willing to accept, cause there absolutely is value to the draft pick. I'd want an Austin Barnes type player in return (guy who we think has a shot at being at least a league average starter and probably another arm or something to go with it...probably pen arm as you aren't going to get a starter with upside to boot). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Well, I have to give it to Hahn. He's not messing around. If guys like Eaton and Q are getting dealt, it may not be the best idea to re-sign Frazier. The Sox might not be contenders until 2020 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Twins message board guy who is apparently well-respected and has a source says Dozier for De Leon/Bellinger is close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) Twins message board guy who is apparently well-respected and has a source says Dozier for De Leon/Bellinger is close Seems reasonable...I wouldn't think they'd make a move unless they know they can't get Turner at a price they are willing to pay. That or we will see something pretty quick about him signing elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Disappointing I wanted De Leon package for Frazier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:25 PM) Twins message board guy who is apparently well-respected and has a source says Dozier for De Leon/Bellinger is close Dozier for two top 50 prospects is pretty insane considering how bad he was just a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:33 PM) Dozier for two top 50 prospects is pretty insane considering how bad he was just a year ago. Agreed. Maybe there's more going the Dodger's way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) Twins message board guy who is apparently well-respected and has a source says Dozier for De Leon/Bellinger is close After they saw the haul Sox got I'm sure they want in on some of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 1m1 minute ago The #Nationals tried to get #WhiteSox to expand the Adam Eaton trade to include closer Todd Frazier, but Sox refused, will deal separately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 1m1 minute ago The #Nationals tried to get #WhiteSox to expand the Adam Eaton trade to include closer Todd Frazier, but Sox refused, will deal separately Nice, didn't know Todd could pitch. Maybe that will increase his value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 11:22 AM) Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 1m1 minute ago The #Nationals tried to get #WhiteSox to expand the Adam Eaton trade to include closer Todd Frazier, but Sox refused, will deal separately Todd sure is a badass closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySox Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 02:22 PM) Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 1m1 minute ago The #Nationals tried to get #WhiteSox to expand the Adam Eaton trade to include closer Todd Frazier, but Sox refused, will deal separately Why didn't we know Frazier could close? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 1m1 minute ago The #Nationals tried to get #WhiteSox to expand the Adam Eaton trade to include closer Todd Frazier, but Sox refused, will deal separately "closer Todd Frazier". Did they want Frazier or Robertson? Also, I don't know why this wasn't done to get them to include Robles and a couple decent lottery tickets if it was Robertson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 1m1 minute ago The #Nationals tried to get #WhiteSox to expand the Adam Eaton trade to include closer David Robertson, but Sox refused, will deal separately Good. Stick to your guns the rest of the off-season, Hahn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) "closer Todd Frazier". Did they want Frazier or Robertson? Also, I don't know why this wasn't done to get them to include Robles and a couple decent lottery tickets if it was Robertson. I assume Robertson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) "closer Todd Frazier". Did they want Frazier or Robertson? Also, I don't know why this wasn't done to get them to include Robles and a couple decent lottery tickets if it was Robertson. Talking White Sox next on MLBN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 02:27 PM) I assume Robertson. Yup. He corrected it. Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 5m5 minutes ago The #Nats tried to get the #WhiteSox to include closer David Robertson in the Adam Eaton trade, but Sox refused, will deal separately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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