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I know you're going to tempted to argue that Moncada and Collins injected into the line-up makes you competitive the second half of 2017. Or that Burdi is ready to be a big league closer.

 

BUT...No. It doesn't. We have no real CFer, DH or ace any longer.

 

Do the prudent thing and let Moncada, Collins, Burdi, Kopech and Basabe develop. Be patient, for once. It's extremely important to determine if Collins can stick as a catcher...rather than rushing his bat as a DH/1B and trying to preserve his health. The premium value comes from his being able to catch decently AND be a plus hitter at that position. Then you have 3 solutions up the middle, and a possible 4th in Basabe for CF in 2019.

 

 

Look to trade Eaton, Q, Nate Jones and Melky at their peak respective values with the White Sox if the right deals come along. Don't accept anything less than fair deals, obviously.

 

Hold Abreu and see the chemistry with him and Moncada until at least July. He seems to be a good mentor, from all we know about him. Jose, if he has another first half like he ended 2016, becomes a much more coveted piece. His value is still down, now. It's also easier to imagine him sticking around, on the other hand.

 

Frazier and Robertson, hold and wait on a rebound...look to trade in July, decide if Frazier might be a long-term stabilizing force to keep in the fold, do you get more back immediately from a trade or go through the QO process? Extend? Depends on what pieces are left from Q/Eaton. Does Trey M. make any progress? But Robertson goes with the first/best offer.

 

Fulmer is the obvious choice for the rotation spot at the moment. Do not rush Burdi. Give him at least one full season in the minors starting. Same with Kopech, and Hansen, for that matter.

 

If someone blows you away with an offer for Gonzalez, great. If not, he is a rotation place holder. Same with Shields, who's seemingly a sunk cost at this point but might have some value yet.

 

Let Tilson, Lawrie/Garcia (DH) play and see what you can get out of those latter two or move on. Right now, Saladino's going to have 2-3 months of regular at-bats at second until Moncada's deemed ready.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 04:12 PM)
He contradicts himself unless Abreu is supposed to go to Charlotte. Keep Moncada in the minors but have him develop a bond with Abreu.

Gotta say I was a lil confused there too

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:06 PM)
I know you're going to tempted to argue that Moncada and Collins injected into the line-up makes you competitive the second half of 2017. Or that Burdi is ready to be a big league closer.

 

BUT...No. It doesn't. We have no real CFer, DH or ace any longer.

 

Do the prudent thing and let Moncada, Collins, Burdi, Kopech and Basabe develop. Be patient, for once. It's extremely important to determine if Collins can stick as a catcher...rather than rushing his bat as a DH/1B and trying to preserve his health. The premium value comes from his being able to catch decently AND be a plus hitter at that position. Then you have 3 solutions up the middle, and a possible 4th in Basabe for CF in 2019.

 

 

Look to trade Eaton, Q, Nate Jones and Melky at their peak respective values with the White Sox if the right deals come along. Don't accept anything less than fair deals, obviously.

 

Hold Abreu and see the chemistry with him and Moncada until at least July. He seems to be a good mentor, from all we know about him. Jose, if he has another first half like he ended 2016, becomes a much more coveted piece. His value is still down, now. It's also easier to imagine him sticking around, on the other hand.

 

Frazier and Robertson, hold and wait on a rebound...look to trade in July, decide if Frazier might be a long-term stabilizing force to keep in the fold, do you get more back immediately from a trade or go through the QO process? Extend? Depends on what pieces are left from Q/Eaton. Does Trey M. make any progress? But Robertson goes with the first/best offer.

 

Fulmer is the obvious choice for the rotation spot at the moment. Do not rush Burdi. Give him at least one full season in the minors starting. Same with Kopech, and Hansen, for that matter.

 

If someone blows you away with an offer for Gonzalez, great. If not, he is a rotation place holder. Same with Shields, who's seemingly a sunk cost at this point but might have some value yet.

 

Let Tilson, Lawrie/Garcia (DH) play and see what you can get out of those latter two or move on. Right now, Saladino's going to have 2-3 months of regular at-bats at second until Moncada's deemed ready.

 

 

I think that is a little off-base/rush to a conclusion but one thing you brought up is something I've been curious about.

 

With this being Moncada, do we keep Abreu around for a little while to at least help ease the transition?

 

I'm not someone who wants to keep Abreu. His struggles in the early season were/are crippling in my opinion when you have a boom/bust type team like we have had. I think he is on the decline, I think his secondary statistics show this. People may like seeing the 25-30 bombs and 100 rbi's but the rest of his measurables tell a different story.

 

In saying that, if you view his expected production, his potential upside and his cultural relationship to Moncada to be a positive or necessity for the Moncada investment - then keep him.

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:06 PM)
I know you're going to tempted to argue that Moncada and Collins injected into the line-up makes you competitive the second half of 2017. Or that Burdi is ready to be a big league closer.

 

BUT...No. It doesn't. We have no real CFer, DH or ace any longer.

 

Do the prudent thing and let Moncada, Collins, Burdi, Kopech and Basabe develop. Be patient, for once. It's extremely important to determine if Collins can stick as a catcher...rather than rushing his bat as a DH/1B and trying to preserve his health. The premium value comes from his being able to catch decently AND be a plus hitter at that position. Then you have 3 solutions up the middle, and a possible 4th in Basabe for CF in 2019.

 

 

Look to trade Eaton, Q, Nate Jones and Melky at their peak respective values with the White Sox if the right deals come along. Don't accept anything less than fair deals, obviously.

 

Hold Abreu and see the chemistry with him and Moncada until at least July. He seems to be a good mentor, from all we know about him. Jose, if he has another first half like he ended 2016, becomes a much more coveted piece. His value is still down, now. It's also easier to imagine him sticking around, on the other hand.

 

Frazier and Robertson, hold and wait on a rebound...look to trade in July, decide if Frazier might be a long-term stabilizing force to keep in the fold, do you get more back immediately from a trade or go through the QO process? Extend? Depends on what pieces are left from Q/Eaton. Does Trey M. make any progress? But Robertson goes with the first/best offer.

 

Fulmer is the obvious choice for the rotation spot at the moment. Do not rush Burdi. Give him at least one full season in the minors starting. Same with Kopech, and Hansen, for that matter.

 

If someone blows you away with an offer for Gonzalez, great. If not, he is a rotation place holder. Same with Shields, who's seemingly a sunk cost at this point but might have some value yet.

 

Let Tilson, Lawrie/Garcia (DH) play and see what you can get out of those latter two or move on. Right now, Saladino's going to have 2-3 months of regular at-bats at second until Moncada's deemed ready.

Now that they made the Sale trade, Caulfield, there's no reason to keep anybody. We're not a contender, even one of those "if everybody has a career year" type teams.

Trade Melky, Avi, Frazier, Lawrie, Abreu, Robertson, Q as soon as you can. Try to actually win some of the trades. Sale is gone, which makes the Sox a last place team in the Central. It's time to clean house totally and hope the prospects work out.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:12 PM)
He contradicts himself unless Abreu is supposed to go to Charlotte. Keep Moncada in the minors but have him develop a bond with Abreu.

 

And how long do you think they'll keep him in Charlotte?

 

They don't spend six or seven weeks together in spring training? Last year, I remember reading story after story about how Rollins was going to mentor Anderson. I didn't see that Anderson and Rollins would be playing together at Charlotte, either.

 

Abreu is the biggest Cuban/Cuban-American star, after the death of Jose Fernandez. At the very least, he's right up there with Cespedes (and with Puig's descent). And Moncada is supposed to be the next great Cuban star, with comps stretching from ARod to a poor man's Mike Trout. Who would be better for him to be around? Plus, we now have a manager the Latin American players will be more comfortable and be able to communicate more openly with.

 

They're really going to trade him for some B level Rockie when they just brought in Moncada?

 

And if they deal Abreu, Cabrera, Eaton and Frazier...who are the fans going to want to come out and see? Holding onto Abreu at least until July makes sense unless another team just bowls you over.

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:13 PM)
And if they deal Abreu, Cabrera, Eaton and Frazier...who are the fans going to want to come out and see? Holding onto Abreu at least until July makes sense unless another team just bowls you over.

I don't think the fans factor into this. There's no indication the Sox are stopping trading. There's been not one media report that this trade was made with 2017 in mind. It's pretty obvious a firesale is coming until we hear this trade was it and the Sox are shopping for 2 veteran starting pitchers.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:18 PM)
I don't think the fans factor into this. There's no indication the Sox are stopping trading. There's been not one media report that this trade was made with 2017 in mind. It's pretty obvious a firesale is coming until we hear this trade was it and the Sox are shopping for 2 veteran starting pitchers.

 

Except firesale connotes having to trade pieces for 50-75 cents on the dollar, like the Padres.

 

The White Sox won't do that for anyone...with the possible exceptions of Shields, Robertson and Cabrera. Financially, they're not going to be forced into that position as the payroll keeps getting cut with each corresponding move or domino falling into place, so to speak.

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:13 PM)
And how long do you think they'll keep him in Charlotte?

 

They don't spend six or seven weeks together in spring training? Last year, I remember reading story after story about how Rollins was going to mentor Anderson. I didn't see that Anderson and Rollins would be playing together at Charlotte, either.

 

Abreu is the biggest Cuban/Cuban-American star, after the death of Jose Fernandez. At the very least, he's right up there with Cespedes (and with Puig's descent). And Moncada is supposed to be the next great Cuban star, with comps stretching from ARod to a poor man's Mike Trout. Who would be better for him to be around? Plus, we now have a manager the Latin American players will be more comfortable and be able to communicate more openly with.

 

They're really going to trade him for some B level Rockie when they just brought in Moncada?

 

And if they deal Abreu, Cabrera, Eaton and Frazier...who are the fans going to want to come out and see? Holding onto Abreu at least until July makes sense unless another team just bowls you over.

 

Dude, the first trade was made. There is really no way you can predict any of what you are talking about until the offseason is over. And cashing in on Abreu being the biggest Cuban star? come on man, nobody cares. If people really cared to come out to see Abreu Cabrera Frazier and Eaton than they would have

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:22 PM)
Dude, the first trade was made. There is really no way you can predict any of what you are talking about until the offseason is over. And cashing in on Abreu being the biggest Cuban star? come on man, nobody cares. If people really cared to come out to see Abreu Cabrera Frazier and Eaton than they would have

 

Except the White Sox organization has always cared about marketing, attendance revenues, perception...you honestly believe all that institutional memory can disappear so quickly?

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