Buehrlesque Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 09:32 PM) Ok, so if Tucker is the centerpiece, what deal do you guys take? Because if he is the centerpiece for me, I want another 3-4 guys with some really nice ceilings. Otherwise, I want a guy that has shown something in AA/AAA. If teams won't do that now, fine. I wait. And test them again in July. Because it is not me that has the pressure to compete this year. It's them. And maybe in July, I've seen that Tucker has taken the next step and it requires less projection from me. Maybe Tucker has taken a step back or injured himself and I can save myself from making a mistake I may have made back in the offseason. You guys are some really poor poker players though if you're just willing to give in after 5 days and accept some mediocre package because Luhnow or Bridich waited your giddy ass out after the Winter Meetings. If the Astros refuse to include Bregman in any deal (which is certainly a more-than-fair stance for them to take), I think a Quintana trade would have to include Martes and Tucker for sure, plus some serious depth. I would do Martes, Tucker, one of the other OFs (Fisher, Laureano or Hernandez), Stubbs and Reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 08:56 AM) If the Astros refuse to include Bregman in any deal (which is certainly a more-than-fair stance for them to take), I think a Quintana trade would have to include Martes and Tucker for sure, plus some serious depth. I would do Martes, Tucker, one of the other OFs (Fisher, Laureano or Hernandez), Stubbs and Reed. With Bregman understandably off the table, any Q deal would absolutely start with Martes and Tucker...but I agree it would also take more Reed's value is certainly down, but he could be worth a gamble on? I really like Musgrove, but Houston seems unwilling to deal him and Martes Martes/Tucker/Reed/Stubbs would be a package I would consider if Musgrove was taken out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 09:06 AM) With Bregman understandably off the table, any Q deal would absolutely start with Martes and Tucker...but I agree it would also take more Reed's value is certainly down, but he could be worth a gamble on? I really like Musgrove, but Houston seems unwilling to deal him and Martes Martes/Tucker/Reed/Stubbs would be a package I would consider if Musgrove was taken out I think Musgrove is maybe a #3 starter. Give me Tucker and Martes for sure. Then build the rest around Laureano, Stubbs, Reed, Perez, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox802 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 From a speculation stand point, I think the Rockies make way too much sense. Quintana is one of the few pitchers that might actually pitch decent in Coors as well. I live out here in CO, and as a Purple Row article mentioned, I think it could benefit both teams greatly. I have not seen Rodgers play, but everyone raves about him here... Also, if there was anyway ever we could get David Dahl, sign me up. Seen him play multiple times and is going to be the real deal. Just a pipe dream though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) I do think Musgrove is the hang up. I also think Q winds up in Houston for Martes, Tucker and others. Edited December 13, 2016 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 09:07 AM) I think Musgrove is maybe a #3 starter. Give me Tucker and Martes for sure. Then build the rest around Laureano, Stubbs, Reed, Perez, etc I'm most impressed with Musgrove's plus control. He gives up hits, but very rarely walks anyone. That bodes well for him to reach his ceiling of a #3 starter...a valuable player. Martes and Tucker alone won't be enouugh. Reed is blocked and is a good get as a third piece to a deal. Not sure if Houston would be comfortable offering much more than that though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 09:13 AM) I do think Musgrove is the hang up. I also think Q winds up in Houston for Martes, Tucker and others. I agree. Houston will part with either Musgrove or Martes, but not both. Reed is the guy we could consider to backup 1B and DH after some more seasoning in AAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 07:13 AM) I do think Musgrove is the hang up. I also think Q winds up in Houston for Martes, Tucker and others. I wonder if the hang up was multiple things. Everything I've read has said Tucker is "untouchable" too. If it's me, I go Martes, Tucker, Reed & a throw in like Stubbs. May be asking too much but the first two are musts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 825 pages of "tucker and martes" Urg. It's 'that' time of the offseason now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I want Carlos Correa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 07:13 AM) I do think Musgrove is the hang up. I also think Q winds up in Houston for Martes, Tucker and others. I wonder if it takes a third team to get a deal done with the Astros for Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 09:30 AM) I want Carlos Correa. Way to spice up the discussion haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 09:30 AM) I want Carlos Correa. Nothing less than Altuve, Correa, and Bregman for Q! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 09:26 AM) 825 pages of "tucker and martes" Urg. It's 'that' time of the offseason now. Hey we spiced things up with the PurpleRow rockies article for a while. But yes, it may be time to bring in a darkhorse team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 09:33 AM) Hey we spiced things up with the PurpleRow rockies article for a while. But yes, it may be time to bring in a darkhorse team. Quintana to the Charlotte Knights for Moncada, Giolito, Fulmer and Coats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 09:31 AM) I wonder if it takes a third team to get a deal done with the Astros for Q. Not if they're willing to part with Reed and Stubbs along with Martes and Tucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I am not enamored with Musgrove and would def take a package centered around Tucker/Martes & two more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 09:33 AM) Nothing less than Altuve, Correa, and Bregman for Q! Need Springer, Giles, and McCullers too. Anything else isn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 If the Sox aren't getting a mess of top position players as an offer, go into next season with Q. They have four seasons of control here. There is no good reason to undersell on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 07:35 AM) Not if they're willing to part with Reed and Stubbs along with Martes and Tucker. I am on board with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 09:35 AM) I am not enamored with Musgrove and would def take a package centered around Tucker/Martes & two more Musgrove is not going to be an ace of a staff, but he has the excellent control to be a #4 or #4 on a playoff team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 07:35 AM) I am not enamored with Musgrove and would def take a package centered around Tucker/Martes & two more As long as the other two are pretty good, I'm okay with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Martes and Tucker are the must haves for me. Then work from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I know Houston wouldn't but I'd do a straight up Q for Bregman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 09:38 AM) As long as the other two are pretty good, I'm okay with that. For what it is worth, Stubbs was outhit by Tim Tebow in the Arizona Fall League and batted only .171 in 20 games That just signals that Stubbs is far from sniffing the mlb level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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