striker Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Jeff Sullivan's thoughts on Q to the Rockies. striker: Any scenario where White Sox can get both Rodgers and Dahl back from the Rockies for Quintana? Perhaps include Jones? Quintana + Jones for Rodgers, Dahl, Pint, Murphy + 3 other pieces. 10:29 Jeff Sullivan: Something built around Quintana/Jones and Rodgers/Dahl is not too lopsided either way. But I do hesitate to believe the Rockies would want to push forward like that, especially with Dahl lined up to help right away. I don’t know how much they’d believe Quintana would fit in that ballpark, and that would be a very heavy investment 10:30 Jeff Sullivan: If Colorado played elsewhere, the equation would be different. But Quintana in Coors could be a particular risk 10:30 Jeff Sullivan: He is, after all, mostly a contact pitcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 This thread has 111,000 views. What's the record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 This thread has 111,000 views. What's the record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 03:50 PM) This thread has 111,000 views. What's the record? Cespedes watch 2015? Cespedes watch 2015? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 07:03 PM) Cespedes watch 2015? Cespedes watch 2015? 383,271 views on that thread. Interestingly ended right next to the LaRoche thread, which on its own has 121,333. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Every trade possibility for Quintana must be vetted by Soxtalk ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I see we are back to discussing the possibility of acquiring guys that aren't being traded...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 It might take an unexpected injury in Spring Training to a #1/2 or waiting it out until June/July...where we know we're more likely to get minor league pieces. Trading 1 to 1 for a player like Bregman, or Bregman + a complementary piece, that's just not the kind of trade they need right now. At any rate, it's kind of pointless to keep talking about when someone like Rodgers with the Rockies is a much higher likelihood of happening, and that's only 20-25% at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (striker @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 03:46 PM) Jeff Sullivan's thoughts on Q to the Rockies. striker: Any scenario where White Sox can get both Rodgers and Dahl back from the Rockies for Quintana? Perhaps include Jones? Quintana + Jones for Rodgers, Dahl, Pint, Murphy + 3 other pieces. 10:29 Jeff Sullivan: Something built around Quintana/Jones and Rodgers/Dahl is not too lopsided either way. But I do hesitate to believe the Rockies would want to push forward like that, especially with Dahl lined up to help right away. I don’t know how much they’d believe Quintana would fit in that ballpark, and that would be a very heavy investment 10:30 Jeff Sullivan: If Colorado played elsewhere, the equation would be different. But Quintana in Coors could be a particular risk 10:30 Jeff Sullivan: He is, after all, mostly a contact pitcher If the Sox have to include Jones to get Dahl, I'd rather pursue a Rodgers/Tapia centered deal, maybe include a good arm and another bat with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 07:55 PM) If the Sox have to include Jones to get Dahl, I'd rather pursue a Rodgers/Tapia centered deal, maybe include a good arm and another bat with that. Man, not me. Getting an MLB ready outfielder for a reliever is a no brainer to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 With good returns for both Sale and Eaton, I'm not expecting Hahn to force the issue with Q who has longer control and less injury risk (in theory). Market could change a lot by July with other suitors (not to mention new prospects emerge). No way Hahn capitulates and takes a low ball Houston offer. Patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 12:08 AM) With good returns for both Sale and Eaton, I'm not expecting Hahn to force the issue with Q who has longer control and less injury risk (in theory). Market could change a lot by July with other suitors (not to mention new prospects emerge). No way Hahn capitulates and takes a low ball Houston offer. Patience. I still cannot believe that Houston would do everything else they've done this offseason, watch Boston get Sale, and then say "we've done enough" when a pitcher like Quintana is sitting there waiting for them and their rotation is that questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 11:13 PM) I still cannot believe that Houston would do everything else they've done this offseason, watch Boston get Sale, and then say "we've done enough" when a pitcher like Quintana is sitting there waiting for them and their rotation is that questionable. Assuming Houston's FO is rational & realizes they need top line pitching makes sense in theory, but not always in practice. Maybe they're expecting every pitcher to have a career year (dumb), or are being penny wise & pound foolish with prospects. Maybe they'll try to get Q cheap in the offseason, and wait until mid year to see how things go before making a big offer. Edited December 19, 2016 by NCsoxfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Yes, Houston please pony up. I wanna see a Sale vs Q battle in the ALCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 The irony here is that the biggest argument for Q with the Astros is the undervaluation of him due to analytics...being over-corrected to the point with some front offices now that undervalued has morphed into "overvalued." It is strange to see the feedback from Colorado being that Q is "no sure thing" out in Colorado...well, no pitcher is or has been, not even extreme sinker/groundball pitchers. If it was that easy to find the perfect pitcher for that environment, you'd think they would have done it over the past 20+ years, right? By their argument, they should never trade for front-line pitching because of Mark Hampton/Darryl Kyle or whatever argument they wish to make. Then, fine. You can remain buried behind the Dodgers and Giants in Carlos Gonzalez' last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 08:52 PM) The irony here is that the biggest argument for Q with the Astros is the undervaluation of him due to analytics...being over-corrected to the point with some front offices now that undervalued has morphed into "overvalued." It is strange to see the feedback from Colorado being that Q is "no sure thing" out in Colorado...well, no pitcher is or has been, not even extreme sinker/groundball pitchers. If it was that easy to find the perfect pitcher for that environment, you'd think they would have done it over the past 20+ years, right? By their argument, they should never trade for front-line pitching because of Mark Hampton/Darryl Kyle or whatever argument they wish to make. Then, fine. You can remain buried behind the Dodgers and Giants in Carlos Gonzalez' last season. And no hitter is a sure thing outside of Colorado so it evens out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 10:13 PM) I still cannot believe that Houston would do everything else they've done this offseason, watch Boston get Sale, and then say "we've done enough" when a pitcher like Quintana is sitting there waiting for them and their rotation is that questionable. Nah, IMO they know they need him. They're just playing hardball in the market. Since no one else seems to be stepping up to challenge them, they probably figure there's no rush to bid against themselves and up their offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 08:27 AM) Nah, IMO they know they need him. They're just playing hardball in the market. Since no one else seems to be stepping up to challenge them, they probably figure there's no rush to bid against themselves and up their offer. I agree. They aren't dumb. They know Quintana is expensive to get, but also that there were a handful of teams to start the season that would be capable and willing to get him: Los Angeles D Boston Themselves Yankees then Braves/Rockies as wild cards Well Dodgers are out and Boston already spent their load. Yankees appear willing to wait to continue along their path. So it's basically between Houston and two teams that don't even seem that deadset. They'll find a market price but they are not under bidding pressure it seems right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 10:13 PM) I still cannot believe that Houston would do everything else they've done this offseason, watch Boston get Sale, and then say "we've done enough" when a pitcher like Quintana is sitting there waiting for them and their rotation is that questionable. Houston is a strange case. They totally buy into whatever the numbers tell them, no matter what. They have a history of doing some odd things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I have to think that Q hasn't moved yet because there are still a lot of wins available via free agency. I'm guessing, if he goes, it's in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (striker @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:21 AM) I have to think that Q hasn't moved yet because there are still a lot of wins available via free agency. I'm guessing, if he goes, it's in January. The Astros won't bid against themselves for Q. The White Sox might have to be patient and let a market emerge for Quintana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Hey a new rumor!!! Jon MorosiVerified account @jonmorosi #Yankees interested in Jose Quintana, source says, and they have the sort of prospects #WhiteSox are looking for. @MLB @MLBNetwork link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:41 AM) Hey a new rumor!!! Jon MorosiVerified account @jonmorosi #Yankees interested in Jose Quintana, source says, and they have the sort of prospects #WhiteSox are looking for. @MLB @MLBNetwork link Holy s***. If the Sox could get Torres or Frazier along with Rutherford I would crap my pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:41 AM) Hey a new rumor!!! Jon MorosiVerified account @jonmorosi #Yankees interested in Jose Quintana, source says, and they have the sort of prospects #WhiteSox are looking for. @MLB @MLBNetwork link I can't see this being more than due diligence by the Yankees. They have an excellent farm system and it would be a big step backwards for them to pilfer it now and trade for Quintana. They certainly do have the prospects to put a deal together though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:44 AM) I can't see this being more than due diligence by the Yankees. They have an excellent farm system and it would be a big step backwards for them to pilfer it now and trade for Quintana. They certainly do have the prospects to put a deal together though Even if it is, maybe this leak will pressure Houston or even Colorado to give the Sox what they want. I'm hopeful. C'mon Rick Hahn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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