flavum Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:18 AM) Hypothetical 3 way trade suggestion: Pirates get Q Mets get McCutchen Sox get Conforto, Newman, Dunn, Keller I kinda like that! No idea if it's fair for everyone, but it looks good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:24 AM) I kinda like that! No idea if it's fair for everyone, but it looks good. Would much rather have Meadows than Conforto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:25 AM) Would much rather have Meadows than Conforto. I agree, but honestly, I think the Pirates aren't moving Meadows under any circumstance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:27 AM) I agree, but honestly, I think the Pirates aren't moving Meadows under any circumstance. A package without a headliner such as Meadows would be rather underwhelming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Jesus, woke up this morning to the stove being hot. Looks like work isn't going to get done today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 06:41 AM) Who would their 1B be if they traded Bell? Can't see them subtracting from their major league roster unless they have an obvious replacement. We could include Frazier. I think Meadows / Bell has to be the first 2. Then fill in from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:30 AM) A package without a headliner such as Meadows would be rather underwhelming. If they can make a trade on par with what they got for Eaton, I think they make the trade. Giolito's stock fell, but still has huge upside. The other two pitchers are legit prospects. Conforto's stock has fallen, but he's still talented. If they can get him and a few other good prospects, I think it's a good deal. The Pirates get their innings eating starter. The Mets get their CF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:18 AM) Right here, man! Like most of us -- watching, with great interest. It ain't over 'til it's over, but, yeah, for the longest time I've been thinking the Pirates would be a serious contender for either Sale or Q (most likely Q) since it became obvious the Sox were going to auction off their prime assets. Baseball is just like most businesses, heck, like most relationships. "Need" trump "like." Every single team with any reasonable chance of contending would "like" a Sale or a Q. Not only for their talent, but also for the contract attached to the talent. But a team like the Pirates truly "need" this kind of asset because they can never win a FA bidding war against the big boys. Push come to shove, I always suspected the Pirates would likely step-up and, in the end, would be willing to pay MORE out of the warchest from which they could actually compete -- young talent. Take a team that needs to pay more like the Pirates, factor in that their available currency (young talent) is what they have in significant quantities and is exactly what the Sox need out of this "auction," and then add that the centerpiece of any likely trade -- Meadows -- is exactly the kind of everday stud OF'er the Sox need ... well, they always seemed to be a super-likely trade partner to me. Good grief i wish you woukd post more often. I REALLY enjoy your insights my man! Yep, as I recall you were the first to mention the Pirates and that was weeks ago. Heck, at the time I questioned it because it's just not like the Pirates to give a haul for a player but according to the latest rumor that could change. Who knows, maybe the Pirates go for it since Q has had success against their division rival cubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:27 AM) I agree, but honestly, I think the Pirates aren't moving Meadows under any circumstance. I'm fine with that. More teams entering the bidding will only drive up the price for Quintana. I'm confident that we will get a huge haul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:23 AM) Cy Acosta, where are ya buddy? There is finally a legit rumor involving the Pirates. biggrin.gif How about Meadows (#9), Newman (#42), Keller (#72) and Diaz? Gives the Sox a return of two top 50's, a top 100 and a catcher that profiles to at least be a backup MLB C with good defensive skills and strong arm. Meadows + Newman + Keller + Diaz would be a nice haul for Quintana How dare you plagiarise my post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 08:58 AM) If the Astros really work by the numbers as some have suggested, this article may help explain why they aren't that interested in Quintana: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/do-the-astr...-jose-quintana/ If a team in the running for a world series wants to roll with the idea that McHugh is actually as good as Quintana, more power to them. Wanna knock quintana because his ERA looks better because of unearned runs? Well, at least let me say that Quintana has often played in front of terrible defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 If I were the Astros, I'd be worried right now. The Pirates, Yankees and Rockies all have better options for a Quintana trade. The Astros may seem like the most logical destination, but they have the least desirable potential package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 08:30 AM) Newman's minor league stats aren't all that inspiring. Is there something good about him I don't know? Yah, who wants a dude that got on base 39% of the time last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:41 AM) Yah, who wants a dude that got on base 39% of the time last year? If Newman has even fringe average power potential instead of no power he would easily be a top #15 prospect right now. His hit tool is legit plus. Edited December 21, 2016 by steveno89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:45 AM) If Keller has even fringe average power potential instead of no power he would easily be a top #15 prospect right now. His hit tool is legit plus. Newman you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:09 AM) Picking up Diaz would be beneficial too We recently acquired a Diaz (Victor), then immediately released another Diaz (Carlos). So the team is already at Diaz quota. There can be only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:49 AM) We recently acquired a Diaz (Victor), then immediately released another Diaz (Carlos). So the team is already at Diaz quota. There can be only one. It's better to burn out than to fade away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:41 AM) Yah, who wants a dude that got on base 39% of the time last year? He has very little power and you can't possibly expect his OBP numbers to stay at that level as he ascends through the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:46 AM) Newman you mean? I edited it, yeah Newman really broke out this season. His patience at the plate is excellent. He would profile really well as a starting second baseman and #2 hitter. The only real knock is that he has ZERO power. A minor league career ISO of .100 is far below average power wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Meadows, Hayes and an arm that the scouts like. Let's do this right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:52 AM) He has very little power and you can't possibly expect his OBP numbers to stay at that level as he ascends through the minors. He does draw walks at a very impressive rate and has a tick above average speed, as well as is an average fielder. That is a great guy to have as a leadoff or #2 hitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:52 AM) Meadows, Hayes and an arm that the scouts like. Let's do this right now. Too light for 4 prime seasons of cheap Quintana The second piece in the deal has to be an elite prospect to go along with Glasnow or Meadows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:49 AM) We recently acquired a Diaz (Victor), then immediately released another Diaz (Carlos). So the team is already at Diaz quota. There can be only one. He could always be Diaz-ignated for assignment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 09:56 AM) He could always be Diaz-ignated for assignment. Hmm...*golf clap* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 I feel as others have said that this allows the pirates to have their cake and eat it too. They keep Cutch and trade for Q in a year in a half if its going south you can move both of them to restock. Having said that Meadows + Bell then fill in the remainder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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