Dick Allen Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 The show on MLBN I was watching yesterday, where Heyman basically said there was very little chance Q went to Pittsburgh or the Yankees, whoever the host was mentioned when twitter got all in a flux about the Nats and Sale, the Red Sox made the trade. He mentioned this to Heyman and said can it be Houston will be trading for Q soon basically asking Heyman if these insiders were being used, and of course Heyman said he is sure it has happened but really doubts anyone is being used. They are all being used. Otherwise, there really is very little use for them if you think about it. Maybe Pittsburgh will give up the prospects, maybe the threat Q is off the table makes Houston up its offer. But obviously someone is getting antsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) It seems to me that people are overrating what Bell really is...Bell, Glasnow, and Newman does nothing for me honestly. Bell is a below average 1B/DH who doesn't have even close to elite game power. I know he's a big strong guy and the power is supposed to be there...but it's not. Don't get me wrong, he's a nice prospect and should be a productive player. I just question how productive he's going to be for him being a defensive liability. I see him as a Brandon Belt type with bad defense. Again, nice player, but not the #1 position player we get back for Q. Has to be more. Edited December 22, 2016 by TheFutureIsNear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 What I find so very interesting at this juncture is that, unless I missed it somewhere, I've seen nothing come out of the Pirates' camp suggesting Meadows is "untouchable", the way it seemed the message on Bregman and Torres/Frazier was sent out almost immediately by Houston and the Yankees, respectively. Obviously if Meadows is in play in some fashion, that puts Pittsburgh in the catbird seat, as Hawk would say, in this competition for Q's services. And I, for one, am just fine with that, because the various packages from Pittsburgh including Meadows and any combination of some of the other guys they have in their system (I happen to find Newman quite intriguing) seems like a tremendous haul for Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:08 AM) What I find so very interesting at this juncture is that, unless I missed it somewhere, I've seen nothing come out of the Pirates' camp suggesting Meadows is "untouchable", the way it seemed the message on Bregman and Torres/Frazier was sent out almost immediately by Houston and the Yankees, respectively. Obviously if Meadows is in play in some fashion, that puts Pittsburgh in the catbird seat, as Hawk would say, in this competition for Q's services. And I, for one, am just fine with that, because the various packages from Pittsburgh including Meadows and any combination of some of the other guys they have in their system (I happen to find Newman quite intriguing) seems like a tremendous haul for Q. I could have sworn there was a tweet recently that said they had no intention of trading Meadows because he is the heir apparent to Cutch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:57 AM) You might want to re-read the Samardzija trade thread. Of course Trayce Thompson is a prospect you build a team around. And when he was Glasnow's age, an age where you say he should be ready for a rotation spot, he was hitting .229 in AA striking out at an alarming rate. He's one you keep, esp when you have no one else in CF. These non-elite prospects who can produce at league average levels would have certainly helped, perhaps allowing the Sox to spend the $17 million on a real player instead of Rollins, Justin Turner, etc. But the Sox got Dunn with a glove and a good attitude, so all is well. Edited December 22, 2016 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:59 AM) Could Sox fans be happy with a package that doesnt include Meadows? Something along the lines of Glasnow, Bell, Newman for Q? While I'd obviously prefer Meadows, I would be satisfied with the package above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:59 AM) Could Sox fans be happy with a package that doesnt include Meadows? Something along the lines of Glasnow, Bell, Newman for Q? I wouldn't be. Meadows has to be the headliner for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:19 AM) I wouldn't be. Meadows has to be the headliner for me. I'm open to a package without meadows, but the return needs to be big. Glasgow, bell, Newman and Keller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:56 AM) If Meadows is untouchable then I can't see how them doing any deal for Quintana makes sense until they know what can happen with McCutchen.because of If the Pirates are reluctant to part with Meadows because of questions about McCutch, then offer to throw in May or Engel or Tilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 You guys think it's going to happen today? Rosenthal tweeting something about it makes me think it's close to a done deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:23 AM) You guys think it's going to happen today? Rosenthal tweeting something about it makes me think it's close to a done deal. I bet it gets done before or on early Saturday. No way to really say though. We need a comment from someone with connections. Edited December 22, 2016 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:56 AM) I'm on pirates.com message board and they're saying they need to make a trade for Q at all costs. One guy said trading Glasnow is ok because Q is in the rotation for almost as long as he would be but Meadows would be a tough loss. Same guy said if Meadows is in the deal, then they would be able to deal McCutchen over the next year or so with Bell could go back to LF with Marte in CF. Yes, just looking at twitter, the Pirates fans seem much more enthusiastic than the Yankees or Astros fans. The Astros may be tainted because they have traded a bunch of prospects over the past couple of seasons with less than stellar results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:07 AM) The show on MLBN I was watching yesterday, where Heyman basically said there was very little chance Q went to Pittsburgh or the Yankees, whoever the host was mentioned when twitter got all in a flux about the Nats and Sale, the Red Sox made the trade. He mentioned this to Heyman and said can it be Houston will be trading for Q soon basically asking Heyman if these insiders were being used, and of course Heyman said he is sure it has happened but really doubts anyone is being used. They are all being used. Otherwise, there really is very little use for them if you think about it. Maybe Pittsburgh will give up the prospects, maybe the threat Q is off the table makes Houston up its offer. But obviously someone is getting antsy. Yep. It's when everyone believes it's going to be 1 team who makes the deal that almost always a totally different team moves in and gets it done. Still think that team would have been the St. Louis Cardinals had Reyes not been as good as he was last fall. The pressure to win in STL is always VERY high and they wouldn't want the Pirates to get him with the Cubs already ahead of them. Reyes, Kelly, + +. Now I think Reyes is too much a part of their plans for 2017 for them to move him for Q, as his fall earned him a rotation spot. Right now, I think they are a top 20 prospect away from being able to supplement a deal with Weaver/Carson/Bader etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 You guys think it's going to happen today? Rosenthal tweeting something about it makes me think it's close to a done deal. When rumors accelerate like this over the course of days it's a good sign. Wouldn't be shocked if today was the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 A Meadows/Glasnow/Hayes/Diaz package would be ok, IMO. I'd like Keller too if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 08:59 AM) I think people don't realize how many prospects Kenny traded that weren't that good. "prospects" It is much easier to list the ones that were good TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:26 AM) It is much easier to list the ones that were good TBH. Gio Gonzalez is the only one I can remember off the top of my head. Edit: Forgot about Semien lol but even then the trade was fine, it just didn't work out. Edited December 22, 2016 by SouthSideSale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:26 AM) It is much easier to list the ones that were good TBH. Gio Gonzalez....Chris Carter to an extent......Semien so far......it's tough lol Edited December 22, 2016 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 A Meadows/Glasnow/Hayes/Diaz package would be ok, IMO. I'd like Keller too if possible. Again, that's more than they got for Sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:28 AM) Again, that's more than they got for Sale. Maybe replace Glasnow with Keller? So it would be Meadows, Keller, Hayes, Diaz. Or what about adding Jennings to the other proposed deal? Cole, Quintana, Nova, Taillon, Glasnow...not too shabby for PIT. Edited December 22, 2016 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:28 AM) Again, that's more than they got for Sale. How do you figure? Moncada > Meadows and Kopech > Glasnow. Hayes and Keller are better than Basabe and Diaz but I think it's fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) Hopefully it's down to Houston and Pittsburgh, and the Sox are just waiting for one of them to say the right thing. I'd still be shocked if Meadows is even being discussed, but we'll see. Edited December 22, 2016 by flavum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I'd say Pittsburgh is in the lead but well see if Houston ponies up or if New York is like Boston and tops everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:31 AM) I'd say Pittsburgh is in the lead but well see if Houston ponies up or if New York is like Boston and tops everyone. Could be wrong, but I have a feeling the Yankees aren't really involved. Probably let the young kids play this year to see what they have going forward, deal Tanaka at the trade deadline or before and get back some solid prospects, and then look to sign 2 arms in free agency next year since it's loaded. Edited December 22, 2016 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 This thread is gigantic. Maybe it'll even pass the Cespedes one from last year in terms of size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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