steveno89 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:40 PM) Guys I don't quite see us as the worst team (yet). We should also probably pump our brakes on a guy who won't be drafted for two years. Trade Quintana, Jones and Robertson and yes, we are probably one of the worst teams. Frazier, Melky, Abreu, Anderson are enough to keep us semi decent, but the utter lack of bullpen and pitching means we need to score 10 runs to win AL teams will run train on a depleted White Sox roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:43 PM) Trade Quintana, Jones and Robertson and yes, we are probably one of the worst teams. Frazier, Melky, Abreu, Anderson are enough to keep us semi decent, but the utter lack of bullpen and pitching means we need to score 10 runs to win AL teams will run train on a depleted White Sox roster Unfortunately the Padres are trying to throw out a starting rotation inspired by the expendables Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxSteve Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:43 PM) Trade Quintana, Jones and Robertson and yes, we are probably one of the worst teams. Frazier, Melky, Abreu, Anderson are enough to keep us semi decent, but the utter lack of bullpen and pitching means we need to score 10 runs to win AL teams will run train on a depleted White Sox roster Again i want all those guys traded before the year starts if we get the return. The LAST Thing i want to do is root for this team to win. I want Anderson and Rodon to do well but if Carlos Sanchez gets a game winning hit i will be pissed. Lose and lose big and get the ist pick in the Draft and then the fun starts!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) To state the obvious, we really need to start drafting and developing better, especially when it comes to position players. It's always frustrating to see all these well-stocked farm systems and then we have to give up a Chris Sale or Jose Quintana just to catch up. Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:46 PM) Unfortunately the Padres are trying to throw out a starting rotation inspired by the expendables They can have Shields back. Funny if he tips the scales as to which team does worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:46 PM) Unfortunately the Padres are trying to throw out a starting rotation inspired by the expendables I laughed more than I should at this post. I think as currently structured, were a bottom 5 team in the league. We trade Quintana and Robertson in the next few weeks, I'd be convinced we'll be having a top 3 pick. Trade Frazier and Melky at the deadline, were contending for the #1 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:39 PM) Any rotationtnat relegates Hansen to the pen... wow. That pen could throw some serious smoke Hansen, Fulmer, Adams, Stephens, Diaz?, Dunning all can throw mid 90's plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:49 PM) That pen could throw some serious smoke Hansen, Fulmer, Adams, Stephens, Diaz?, Dunning all can throw mid 90's plus Don't forget Burdi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:49 PM) I laughed more than I should at this post. I think as currently structured, were a bottom 5 team in the league. We trade Quintana and Robertson in the next few weeks, I'd be convinced we'll be having a top 3 pick. Trade Frazier and Melky at the deadline, were contending for the #1 pick. If Abreu gets dealt I am not sure how this team will score runs I fully expect Holland to get shelled Gonzalez was surprisingly decent in 2016, maybe we could flip him at or prior to the deadline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:15 PM) If Tilson is a starter, then our rebuild has gone very, very wrong at some point. I don't know he could develop into a Denard Span type of player and that would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:46 PM) Unfortunately the Padres are trying to throw out a starting rotation inspired by the expendables Lmfao legit laughed out loud on my train at this comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:51 PM) I don't know he could develop into a Denard Span type of player and that would be awesome. Good glove, decent hit tool, solid speed Tilsen could end up being a quality fourth outfielder due to his ability to play center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) Lmfao legit laughed out loud on my train at this comment. San Diego does have the worst rotation in the MLB by a very long way It's not crazy to think that our AAA rotation might actually be better than their MLB rotation this season Clayton Richard is arguably their #1 right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Magical Christmas land where everyone develops and lives up to their ceiling. DH - Fisher* - Jason Kubel C - Collins* - Mickey Tettleton 1B - Bell# - Joey Votto 2B - Moncada# - David Wright SS - Anderson 3B - Machado LF - Tilson* - Denard Span CF - Meadonws* - Andrew McCutchen RF - Basabe# - Chris Young SP - Rodon* SP - Giolito - Adam Wainwright SP - Glasnow SP - Kopech - Jake Peavy SP - Lopez - Ervin Santana CL - Burdi SU - Fulmer SU - Hansen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:34 PM) Total pipe dream here = That farm system would be absolutely locked and loaded to compete in the next few years Add in some other shrewd moves and/or free agent signings and you are looking at a playoff team if things go well 1) Rodon 2) Glasnow 3) Giolito 4) Kopech 5) Lopez Pen arm possibilities (or other starters): Burdi, Dunning, Stephens, Adams, Fulmer, Hansen, Clark, Cooper C- Collins (fingers crossed) 1B - Bell 2B - Moncada and/or Newman SS - Anderson 3B - MACHADO OF- Meadows OF- Basabe OF- BEER DH - ABREU As a Sox fan you can dream of a scenario like this... That roster projection is totally loaded Banking on all your top prospects to pan out is a fun but dangerous proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Tilson, May, Engel. Any wonder why the Sox reportedly insist on Meadows being apart of the return for Q? The Sox have three legit 4th outfielders but no starting center fielder. Tells me the Sox have a plan and know where their weaknesses are. Anyway. I like the recent rumor of Meadows/Glasnow + Bell or Newman. If the rumor is true then all I can say is what's the hold up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) San Diego does have the worst rotation in the MLB by a very long way It's not crazy to think that our AAA rotation might actually be better than their MLB rotation this season Clayton Richard is arguably their #1 right now I think an idea for a #2 and a solid addition to pitch behind the resurrected Clayton Richard would be JAMES SHIELDS! Why not, they are paying half his salary anyway. Sox of course would pick up the tab for the flight back to SD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 The best part of rebuilding is being able to experiment with less than sure things or also-rans from other orgs and see who sticks. We were so hanging on a thread needing every bit of production we couldn't develop at major league level and we pushed everyone up to major league level as soon as we could squeeze an ounce of production from them. I am 100% confident one of our experiments (or more) will pan out next 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:51 PM) I don't know he could develop into a Denard Span type of player and that would be awesome. I'm not really buying Tilson being a capable defender in CF, at least not on an everyday basis. And he does not have the bat for a corner job. His future role is 4th OF and nothing more IMO. Edited December 22, 2016 by Chicago White Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 04:07 PM) I think an idea for a #2 and a solid addition to pitch behind the resurrected Clayton Richard would be JAMES SHIELDS! Why not, they are paying half his salary anyway. Sox of course would pick up the tab for the flight back to SD. We still need Shields to go out there and get lit up for 200 innings per year Somebody has to go out there and pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 04:04 PM) Tilson, May, Engel. Any wonder why the Sox reportedly insist on Meadows being apart of the return for Q? The Sox have three legit 4th outfielders but no starting center fielder. Tells me the Sox have a plan and know where their weaknesses are. Anyway. I like the recent rumor of Meadows/Glasnow + Bell or Newman. If the rumor is true then all I can say is what's the hold up! Are you kidding me. The guy has a career 1.000 OPS. He is a can't miss player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) The best part of rebuilding is being able to experiment with less than sure things or also-rans from other orgs and see who sticks. We were so hanging on a thread needing every bit of production we couldn't develop at major league level and we pushed everyone up to major league level as soon as we could squeeze an ounce of production from them. I am 100% confident one of our experiments (or more) will pan out next 2 years. Speaking of which, I'd rather give Liriano a look in CF next year than Tilson. He's the type of guy you give 600 ABs to in a lost season and hope you strike gold. If not, at least he's contributing towards a top pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 04:11 PM) We still need Shields to go out there and get lit up for 200 innings per year Somebody has to go out there and pitch Getting lit up and pitching 200 innings doesn't really mesh together very well. QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 04:12 PM) Are you kidding me. The guy has a career 1.000 OPS. He is a can't miss player. Well, the stats don't lie! Forget Meadows, he's over rated, we have Charlie Tilson. Show Charlie Tilson your OPS (cue Chappelle's voice). Edited December 22, 2016 by BlackSox13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 04:15 PM) Speaking of which, I'd rather give Liriano a look in CF next year than Tilson. He's the type of guy you give 600 ABs to in a lost season and hope you strike gold. If not, at least he's contributing towards a top pick. As of now, there's room for both in the OF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 04:19 PM) As of now, there's room for both in the OF. Assuming no more moves, this how I think our lineup would shake out: 1B: Abreu 2B: Lawrie SS: Anderson 3B: Frazier LF: Cabrera CF: Tilson/Liriano RF: Garcia DH: Davidson Not that I agree with it, but I think they plan on giving Avi one last shot in RF. And with Melky unlikely to be moved, I don't see an everyday spot for both Tilson & Liriano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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