Quintana Rumors: Round and round and round we go

[peavy44]

That's 4 guys. The "+" is an additional piece.

 

 

Not enough i want frazier and torres.

[Con te Giolito]

Not enough i want frazier and torres.

Not happening. Torres/Frazier + Rutherford/Mateo seems possible though.

[Kyyle23]

BTW I find it so bizarre Yankees are asking for money.

 

My message board fantasy solution would be a Frazier/Headley swap with sox getting prospects for taking on money.

 

Maybe they are just making the sox "buy" an extra prospect that Hahn wants. We all know the Yankees are not hurting for cash, and never will be.

[Chicago White Sox]

Why would the Yankees want Robertson? They just paid Chapman. I don't buy the report. This is pressure on the other teams.

Did you just see the hauls Cashnan got for 2 months of Chapman and 2 1/3 years of Miller? Have you seen what the elite relievers have gotten paid this offseason? Robertson is obviously in a different tier, but he could be a great buy low guy and provide the Yankees with a nice ROI at the deadline if they're not still in it. I think Robertson makes perfect sense for them assuming they want to continue their "kind of go for it, kind of rebuild" strategy.

[peavy44]

Not happening. Torres/Frazier + Rutherford/Mateo seems possible though.

 

I tell yankees to eat dirt then no torres and frazier.

 

[Dick Allen]

If you get money back does that mean that what you get back does not count against the luxury limit?

 

The problem the Yankees have with Robertson is if they go over the threshold, his salary in essence is quite a bit more than they are paying him.

[Con te Giolito]

Totally agree.

 

On this board by different posters, people have expressed satisfaction if Robertson were traded for Severino from Nationals.

 

So if Robertson were included in Eaton trade it would have been Eaton + Roberton for Giolito, Lopez, Dunning and Severino, not Giolito, Robles, Lopez and Dunning.

 

I hope if Yanks come to bad we see Torres/Frazier, but adding Robertson just adds to the back.

Then there have been media people, one moronic and one maybe-not-as-moronic, who've said Robles for Robertson is plausible. I can kind of surmise what Quintana, Frazier and Jones would return but I have no idea what Robertson is worth anymore.

[Bob Sacamano]

If you get money back does that mean that what you get back does not count against the luxury limit?

 

The problem the Yankees have with Robertson is if they go over the threshold, his salary in essence is quite a bit more than they are paying him.

 

Maybe they will look to dump Headley or continue to try to move Gardner?

[NCsoxfan]

This is a head scratcher for me. Why are the Yankees interested in Robertson? They are in a semi rebuild and were applauded by the entire industry with the influx of young talent they have brought to their organization. I find it hard to believe Cashman wants to get rid of his young talented hitters: Torres, Rutherford, and Frazier. The only conclusion I can come up with is Steinbrenner pressuring Cashman to make a big acquisition for 2017 season.

 

It's really not. The Yankees might not want to contend THIS year, but 4 years of Q helps them contend in years 2-4. Remember, they have big salary coming off the books soon, and will likely be in position to land a huge FA next winter.

[Kyyle23]

If you get money back does that mean that what you get back does not count against the luxury limit?

 

The problem the Yankees have with Robertson is if they go over the threshold, his salary in essence is quite a bit more than they are paying him.

 

Thats right, I forgot they are trying to avoid the repeat offender tax for being over the luxury limit for consecutive years going into 2018

[Con te Giolito]

Maybe they are just making the sox "buy" an extra prospect that Hahn wants. We all know the Yankees are not hurting for cash, and never will be.

They are saving their pennies for spending sprees the next two years and I understand it in principle, but nickel and diming the Sox on Jose Quintana is baffling from the Pirates much less the Yankees. Robertson will be a FA the year Harper hits the market so its not like the commitment there even means all that much.

[Chicago White Sox]

3 guys for q and drob thats not enough.

I would expect more pieces which is why I put the plus sign. But we're talking about three top 100 guys, with one being a legit top 10-20 guy in Torres (some have him in their top 5). Rutherford may not be on the Kopech/Lopez level just yet, but he's not too far off. I think adding a top 100 arm in Sheffield makes the deal comparable to the Eaton return. Add another couple prospects in their 10 to 15 range (which would be top 10 guys in most systems) and I think you have a strong deal.

[Eminor3rd]

I think posters are in for a world of dissapointment if they think we'd get both Torres & Frazier in a Quintana deal. Robertson is worth something, but his addition is not resulting in another top 20 prospect, even if we pay some cash.

 

I think any framework here revolves around one of two pairs of headliners, with either Torres + Rutherford (more desirable) or Frazier + Mateo (less desirable). Perhaps adding Robertson is what's required to get the Yankees to include Torres in a trade, as he may be the lone "untouchable" in the system. I think the complementary pieces would primarily be pitching based, with maybe a lesser positional prospect like Andujar included. Honestly, a Torres, Rutherford, Sheffield, + package for Quintana & Robertson would be a huge haul IMO. I think expecting much more than that is completely unrealistic.

 

Agreed

[Bob Sacamano]

Would you guys expect it to be an OF prospect (one of Frazier and Rutherford), an IF prospect (one of Mateo and Torres), Sheffield and then another piece or two?

[Dick Allen]

Frazier looks like a Wii character.

[Chicago White Sox]

Then there have been media people, one moronic and one maybe-not-as-moronic, who've said Robles for Robertson is plausible. I can kind of surmise what Quintana, Frazier and Jones would return but I have no idea what Robertson is worth anymore.

That fangraphs guy doesn't know what he's talking about, Robertson isn't landing Robles or anyone of that nature.

[bmags]

If you get money back does that mean that what you get back does not count against the luxury limit?

 

That is my impression, i.e.dodgers luxury tax salary higher than roster salary as the portion they are paying on players not on their team goes on their books

[bmags]

Would you guys expect it to be an OF prospect (one of Frazier and Rutherford), an IF prospect (one of Mateo and Torres), Sheffield and then another piece or two?

 

Yes, but honestly think all of the hangup is over Torres, who is likely a top 5-10 prospect in game now.

[Chicago White Sox]

Would you guys expect it to be an OF prospect (one of Frazier and Rutherford), an IF prospect (one of Mateo and Torres), Sheffield and then another piece or two?

That's exactly what I would expect. And given how deep the Yankees system is, that "another piece or two" could be very nice prospects.

[Bob Sacamano]

That is my impression, i.e.dodgers luxury tax salary higher than roster salary as the portion they are paying on players not on their team goes on their books

 

The salary that hits the luxury tax is by an AAV basis, correct? So even though Robertson is due to make $12 mill, his hit on the luxury tax threshold would be 11.5 since he signed a 4 year, $46 million deal?

[Eminor3rd]

My guess is that the Sox want Torres to headline, but the Yankees are refusing and offering Frazier instead. The Yankees, realizing Hahn has enough other suitors to not budge from Torres, are looking for ways to add more value if they're going to give up Torres.

 

I'd be shocked if it would be both Torres and Frazier. Like mentioned above, best case IMO is Torres/Rutherford + a couple interesting arms like Domingo Acevedo and/or Jonathan Holder, or maybe even Torres/Kaprielian + a couple smaller guys.

 

And we should be happy with that. Yes, you could theoretically max out by separating the pieces, but you can't expect literally EVERY deal to come at max efficiency, and if all it takes to grease the deal is an expensive reliever, then just do it and move on. Sox still have Nate Jones to use to exploit the reliever market.

[Con te Giolito]

My guess is that the Sox want Torres to headline, but the Yankees are refusing and offering Frazier instead. The Yankees, realizing Hahn has enough other suitors to not budge from Torres, are looking for ways to add more value if they're going to give up Torres.

 

I'd be shocked if it would be both Torres and Frazier. Like mentioned above, best case IMO is Torres/Rutherford + a couple interesting arms like Domingo Acevedo and/or Jonathan Holder, or maybe even Torres/Kaprielian + a couple smaller guys.

 

And we should be happy with that. Yes, you could theoretically max out by separating the pieces, but you can't expect literally EVERY deal to come at max efficiency, and if all it takes to grease the deal is an expensive reliever, then just do it and move on. Sox still have Nate Jones to use to exploit the reliever market.

Pretty much agree. Sox shouldn't let David Robertson get between them and the players they really want especially when were dealing with guys of Torres' caliber.

[Chicago White Sox]

Yes, but honestly think all of the hangup is over Torres, who is likely a top 5-10 prospect in game now.

Agree. And I really like Frazier, but Mateo scares me a ton as a potential second piece. I think Torres/Rutherford is a much, much stronger pair of headliners, which probably why a deal hasn't taken place yet. Now, if we throw in a cheap Robertson (assuming we provide cash), maybe they feel they can recoup enough value if he has a strong start to 2017 and decide to push Torres into the package.

[bmags]

The salary that hits the luxury tax is by an AAV basis, correct? So even though Robertson is due to make $12 mill, his hit on the luxury tax threshold would be 11.5 since he signed a 4 year, $46 million deal?

 

I do not know this but can look it up.

[southsider2k5]

Eat some of(hell eat the whole damn thing) and just bring back a serious haul.

 

Again, if it upgrades the front line guy to be their top guys, then get it done.