Quintana Rumors: Round and round and round we go

[steveno89]

Why are you acting like Robertson has a lot of value? Robertson adds a couple of B level prospects to the end of the deal. His name shouldn't even be mentioned with Frazier and Torres. Getting both is indeed crazy talk

 

Robertson does have value as the only decent closer available right now via trade, with the exception of Colome.

 

Bullpen help always comes at a deadline premium, and a solid season from Robertson could make him very valuable mid season. The White Sox have refused to deal him for B level prospects, given that NO other closers are really on the market right now.

[Bob Sacamano]

Here goes another day of getting teased early and leaving us hanging until tomorrow lol

 

Tell me about it. I'd rather have these tweets happen around 4pm towards the end of the work day lol

[hi8is]

[bmags]

Totally forgot about Garcia. Acevedo and Holder are two guys that are clearly third tier but would slot into our top ten before this December.

 

The more I think about it, the harder it is for me to believe that Torres will get moved. Not that Quintana isn't worth Torres, but just that it would seem so counter-productive to what Cashman has been building. And while top end talent is always the goal as you said, getting 5 or 6 of those second/third tier Yankees prospects would do our system a TON of good.

 

Ashman has been pretty smart with prospects, and I could see the flip side where he sees an absurd amount of value being placed in this ss who has never been to double-a based off of the AFL - which has been a horrible judge of future performance. He may see it as selling high on a prospect that is more top 50 than top 5.

[bmags]

Robertson does have value as the only decent closer available right now via trade, with the exception of Colome.

 

Bullpen help always comes at a deadline premium, and a solid season from Robertson could make him very valuable mid season. The White Sox have refused to deal him for B level prospects, given that NO other closers are really on the market right now.

 

I feel like i"ve said this a thousand times, but the Ken Giles and Kimbrel trades both happened in offseason and both were prospect heavy toward seller. I don't think Deadline helps that much.

[Thad Bosley]

All I know is that it is very tantalizing thinking about a future infield featuring both Moncada and Torres in it. Wow!

[steveno89]

I feel like i"ve said this a thousand times, but the Ken Giles and Kimbrel trades both happened in offseason and both were prospect heavy toward seller. I don't think Deadline helps that much.

 

BMags, I am totally fine with offloading Robertson and letting Jones close if the right deal comes across

 

That being said, I do not want us to give Robertson away. I see this all as testing the waters to see which club will blink and offer up an "untouchable" prospect or two

 

The Red Sox insisted Moncada was off the table...until he became on the table.

[Eminor3rd]

All I know is that it is very tantalizing thinking about a future infield featuring both Moncada and Torres in it. Wow!

 

Honestly, the reason I'd be excited about Torres is that it might mean Moncada gets shifted to CF, which makes a TON of sense to me. Seems like a much better place to get the most out of a guy with elite speed and a plus arm but shaky hands and footwork.

[bmags]

Someone asked whom yankees picked up with robertson comp pick - > it was Kyle Holder, who looks like a pretty light hitting player with only a .660 ops in low A. Is 21 too, so, looks like a bust.

[Thad Bosley]

Honestly, the reason I'd be excited about Torres is that it might mean Moncada gets shifted to CF, which makes a TON of sense to me. Seems like a much better place to get the most out of a guy with elite speed and a plus arm but shaky hands and footwork.

Haha, ok, have it your way. I will amend my statement to say that it is tantalizing to think of a lineup featuring both Moncada and Torres, placed wherever on the field you'd like!

 

[beautox]

Yes,

 

I am not trading Quintana and Robertson to the Yankees for a package short of Torres + Frazier ++

 

and those ++ had better be quality pieces

 

This all reeks of the White Sox swirling the rumor pot to get Pirates/Yankees/Astros/Rockies/etc to up their offer

There should be 5-6 pieces coming back for Q and Robertson

 

Torres + Frazier/Rutherford + Sheffield/Kaprielian + Andujar + Tate/Adams + Sands/Perez

[shipps]

 

I just cant do it anymore. Once something seems to be on the verge of happening is when I will care. All these hypothetical's are like listening to someones fantasy team conversations.

[beautox]

Honestly, the reason I'd be excited about Torres is that it might mean Moncada gets shifted to CF, which makes a TON of sense to me. Seems like a much better place to get the most out of a guy with elite speed and a plus arm but shaky hands and footwork.

Give him the reps at the keystone before moving him to CF an infield of Torres / Anderson / Moncada / 1B? could be something special.

[Dunt]

Torres, Rutherford, Acevedo, and Fowler for Q and DRob and I'm happy

[southsider2k5]

There should be 5-6 pieces coming back for Q and Robertson

 

Torres + Frazier/Rutherford + Sheffield/Kaprielian + Andujar + Tate/Adams + Sands/Perez

 

If that framework actually got done, it would be by far the best trade of the off season for the White Sox.

[steveno89]

Torres, Rutherford, Acevedo, and Fowler for Q and DRob and I'm happy

 

Torres + Rutherford + Andujar + Adams or Montgomery is a solid package

[hi8is]

I just cant do it anymore. Once something seems to be on the verge of happening is when I will care. All these hypothetical's are like listening to someones fantasy team conversations.

Clearly you can see I'm losing my mind as well

[Con te Giolito]

It's almost impossible to predict guys past the headliners unless you have some inside knowledge of the Sox scouting department.

[TheFutureIsNear]

I feel like i"ve said this a thousand times, but the Ken Giles and Kimbrel trades both happened in offseason and both were prospect heavy toward seller. I don't think Deadline helps that much.

 

When you go back and look at that Giles trade was it REALLY that great of a haul? Once you take out the name factor and realize Mark Appel had already lost a ton of his value (looking like a huge bust) there isn't really a ton left. Don't get me wrong Velasquez is a really nice get for a reliever on a bad team, but the Phillies might have actually given up the 2nd best prospect in that deal (SS Arauz). Plus Giles threw 100+ innings of dominant ball the 2 years before being traded, Robertson has simply been above average. Maybe? Robertson is a either a salary dump for 1 or 2 B level prospects now, or you cross your fingers and hope he improves and has more value later. Really don't see any in-between.

[southsider2k5]

Torres + Rutherford + Andujar + Adams or Montgomery is a solid package

 

This would also be a nice haul. Torres and Rutherford might be our two top position prospects before Moncada was traded for.

[steveno89]

Clearly you can see I'm losing my mind as well

 

All we need is for the Rockies and a mystery club to jump into the rumor mill and we have full on pandemonium

 

So far Astros, Pirates and Yankees have been strongly connected to Quintana

[Eminor3rd]

Give him the reps at the keystone before moving him to CF an infield of Torres / Anderson / Moncada / 1B? could be something special.

 

I just think we might be better served with a possibly elite CF than a passable 2B. I mean, in a post-shift world, 2B is a spot where Neil Walker and Daniel Murphy can fake it. I feel like Moncada's toolset may be wasted there.

[shipps]

I just picture myself reading through a thread like this a couple years down the road and thinking to myself... look at all these people who thought package A+B+C+D was too much for Q in which none of them turn out to be anything and the names now mean nothing to me. There are so many absolute opinions going on in a thread that has no absolutes in reality. I have seen it so many times over the years where people on here claim you cant possibly get (insert Prospect) because that is too much only to never here about the guy again.

[steveno89]

This would also be a nice haul. Torres and Rutherford might be our two top position prospects before Moncada was traded for.

 

I'm sure the Yankees would prefer to include Mateo over Torres, but the White Sox would see right through that

 

That would still leave the Yankees with Frazier, Mateo, Judge, Kaprielian, Acevedo, Sheffield, Fowler in their farm system...plenty of quality prospects still if they dealt Torres + Rutherford + Andujar + Adams/Montgomery

 

Alot to give up, sure, but they have enough depth to deal with it

[southsider2k5]

I just think we might be better served with a possibly elite CF than a passable 2B. I mean, in a post-shift world, 2B is a spot where Neil Walker and Daniel Murphy can fake it. I feel like Moncada's toolset may be wasted there.

 

I love this deal SO Much better if we turn Moncada into a CF than a 2B.