Quintana Rumors: Round and round and round we go

[BlackSox13]

 

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Today, according to Bob Nightengale, the Astros have officially dropped out of the Jose Quintana sweepstakes. His description was that the talks were shut down.

 

I think we all kind of figured Houston was out after they backed down during the winter meetings.

[Quin]

Good for Houston. They can be content with losing.

[Con te Giolito]

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I think we all kind of figured Houston was out after they backed down during the winter meetings.

This likely means offers on the table from the Yankees and Pirates (or whoever else) exceeded what the Astros are willing to part with. So in a way, good news! Though I don't believe the Astros are truly out of it until Q is traded elsewhere.

[BlackSox13]

Kinda random names to throw around.

Yeah, I don't agree with Levine's wording there but I'm not trying to be too particular. I would think names like Frazier, Torres and Rutherford are " top priorities " and where discussions begin. I would think at least one of those three would be a headliner.

[Real]

Good for Houston. They can be content with losing.

 

I didn't like Houston's prospects anyway compared to the other interested teams

[bmags]

Yeah, I don't agree with Levine's wording there but I'm not trying to be too particular. I would think names like Frazier, Torres and Rutherford are " top priorities " and where discussions begin. I would think at least one of those three would be a headliner.

 

My theory is in Levines extensive research he used an older NYY prospects list.

[southsider2k5]

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I think we all kind of figured Houston was out after they backed down during the winter meetings.

 

That really isn't surprising at all.

[NCsoxfan]

That really isn't surprising at all.

 

Never say never. Maybe Q isn't dealt until the deadline, Bregman has a slow start, and the Stros pitching need becomes glaring. Moncada was untouchable at last deadline as well

[Saufley]

This likely means offers on the table from the Yankees and Pirates (or whoever else) exceeded what the Astros are willing to part with. So in a way, good news! Though I don't believe the Astros are truly out of it until Q is traded elsewhere.

 

I'd just like to see the Sox get this done. I know Q is the best on the market now but, I just don't want any of our possible trade partners to start looking elsewhere for an alternative.

 

[Feeky Magee]

Good for Houston. They can be content with losing.

Can we not be bitter towards teams who decide not to give us what we're asking for? It's perfectly reasonable to decide not to give Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker and Joe Musgrove for Jose Quintana.

[Dick Allen]

Can we not be bitter towards teams who decide not to give us what we're asking for? It's perfectly reasonable to decide not to give Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker and Joe Musgrove for Jose Quintana.

According to Keith Law, that return is more than a little light.

[Chicago White Sox]

Can we not be bitter towards teams who decide not to give us what we're asking for? It's perfectly reasonable to decide not to give Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker and Joe Musgrove for Jose Quintana.

I don't disagree, but I also think they would be crazy to enter the 2017 season without adding a TOR starter.

[bmags]

Can we not be bitter towards teams who decide not to give us what we're asking for? It's perfectly reasonable to decide not to give Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker and Joe Musgrove for Jose Quintana.

 

Meh, I really want to see that dumb Cameron article disproven by McHugh being terrible.

[steveno89]

Can we not be bitter towards teams who decide not to give us what we're asking for? It's perfectly reasonable to decide not to give Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker and Joe Musgrove for Jose Quintana.

 

Levine's article mentions Kaprielian and Mateo

 

Both players stock are trending downard in my opinion. Mateo was nothing special in 2016 and Kaprielian was injured all season

 

Astros are out for right now, but so were the Red Sox on Sale until deal day

[Quin]

Can we not be bitter towards teams who decide not to give us what we're asking for? It's perfectly reasonable to decide not to give Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker and Joe Musgrove for Jose Quintana.

 

Eh, Law that offer was light and I'd agree.

 

To me it's because the Astros are like the Braves and don't view Q as a front line starter.

[Chicago White Sox]

Levine's article mentions Kaprielian and Mateo

 

Both players stock are trending downard in my opinion. Mateo was nothing special in 2016 and Kaprielian was injured all season

 

Astros are out for right now, but so were the Red Sox on Sale until deal day

Levine is just throwing out names, no chance in hell the Sox make a trade with the Yankees without getting one of Torres or Frazier.

[southsider2k5]

Can we not be bitter towards teams who decide not to give us what we're asking for? It's perfectly reasonable to decide not to give Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker and Joe Musgrove for Jose Quintana.

 

That is pretty insane honestly. That is a pretty terrible return for a front line starter.

[BlackSox13]

This likely means offers on the table from the Yankees and Pirates (or whoever else) exceeded what the Astros are willing to part with. So in a way, good news! Though I don't believe the Astros are truly out of it until Q is traded elsewhere.

Yeah, I agree it looks as though both the Yanks and Pirates have made offers that are intriguing enough for talks to continue progressing. Man, would I like know the actual names being discussed.

 

My theory is in Levines extensive research he used an older NYY prospects list.

You know, that makes a ton of sense. Maybe the 2015 MLB pipeline?

 

That really isn't surprising at all.

No not all. Once Houston heard the Sox asking price they turned their attention to Duffy and Ventura.

[ChiSox59]

That is pretty insane honestly. That is a pretty terrible return for a front line starter.

 

Yah, I don't think that offer was ever something Rick was going to accept in December.

[steveno89]

Eh, Law that offer was light and I'd agree.

 

To me it's because the Astros are like the Braves and don't view Q as a front line starter.

 

Astros and Braves seemed to be the stingiest with their trade offers

 

Yankees are likely cobbling together subpar offers that exclude their top prospects

 

Very surprised the Rockies are not more in on Quintana and/or Robertson

[GreenSox]

Me thinks Hahn/Cashman are using Twitter/National Writers as a way to stir the pot and/or put pressure on other teams. All of this stuff is intentional.

Agree.

Nightengale is a definitely a whitesox gawker.

 

I think he'll end up in Houston for Martes, Tucker and someone other than Musgrove.

 

But to me he is perfect for Pittsburgh. A team with limited payroll that can appreciate Q's contract; he's consistent and as "low risk" as possible re established upper tier pitchers; and Pitt consistently develops prospects, such that they are likely to recoup what they lose.

[Chicago White Sox]

Eh, Law that offer was light and I'd agree.

 

To me it's because the Astros are like the Braves and don't view Q as a front line starter.

I personally don't think that offer is light at all. I just think Luhnow doesn't realize that in the modern MLB that you have to really go for it when you have a window and that sometimes means trading away quality prospects. Epstein most definitely overpaid for Chapman but it helped them get a ring. Can't be a major league GM and he afraid to make a move like that if you want to win a title.

[southsider2k5]

Agree.

Nightengale is a definitely a whitesox gawker.

 

I think he'll end up in Houston for Martes, Tucker and someone other than Musgrove.

 

But to me he is perfect for Pittsburgh. A team with limited payroll that can appreciate Q's contract; he's consistent and as "low risk" as possible re established upper tier pitchers; and Pitt consistently develops prospects, such that they are likely to recoup what they lose.

 

Unless that someone other is Bregman, Rick Hahn screwed up if he comes home with that offer. That is just terrible.

[steveno89]

I personally don't think that offer is light at all. I just think Luhnow doesn't realize that in the modern MLB that you have to really go for it when you have a window and that sometimes means trading away quality prospects. Epstein most definitely overpaid for Chapman but it helped them get a ring. Can't be a major league GM and he afraid to make a move like that if you want to win a title.

 

Luhnow believes that his in house pitching will either improve or prospects will step up to fill in the gaps.

 

They do have a decent window to compete, although they are counting on a Keuchel bounceback and McCullers to stay healthy (which I don't think will happen).

 

They also might try out Devenski in the rotation, but he has never exceeded 119 innings in a season. Will be interesting to see how he performs starting instead of relief.

 

Houston might change its mind during the season, right now they are content to hang onto prospects

[GreenSox]

I personally don't think that offer is light at all. I just think Luhnow doesn't realize that in the modern MLB that you have to really go for it when you have a window and that sometimes means trading away quality prospects. Epstein most definitely overpaid for Chapman but it helped them get a ring. Can't be a major league GM and he afraid to make a move like that if you want to win a title.

As of last summer, the only one of those guys that Law had ranked was Tucker at 32, so one can see why Law would think it light - based on his own evaluation.