Quintana Rumors: Round and round and round we go

[Kyyle23]

its almost like its a holiday

[BlackSox13]

Reading this got me thinking that if Hahn holds out long enough we could see the Rockies legitimately jump into the mix for Q once they trade an outfielder. Sounds alot like Pitt. If the Rockies can find a trade for Blackmon, it would ease the hit their farm would take in a trade for Q. Patience.

 

Of course, the Rockies also still possess a seeming glut of left-handed-hitting outfielders. Desmond makes a good bit of sense as a right-handed outfield piece to join that mix, with one pre-existing player being cashed in via trade. Both Charlie Blackmon and David Dahl can handle center; Carlos Gonzalez is still viewed as an everyday corner piece; and Gerardo Parra was signed to be a heavily-used fourth outfielder. All four hit from the left side, as do other potential MLB options such as Jordan Patterson and Raimel Tapia.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/whos...p;post-id=81569

[striker]

Reading this got me thinking that if Hahn holds out long enough we could see the Rockies legitimately jump into the mix for Q once they trade an outfielder. Sounds alot like Pitt. If the Rockies can find a trade for Blackmon, it would ease the hit their farm would take in a trade for Q. Patience.

 

 

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/whos...p;post-id=81569

Send them Abreu too.

 

Quintana and Abreu for Rodgers, Hoffman, Dahl, Pint, Murphy, Tapia

[Chicago White Sox]

Send them Abreu too.

 

Quintana and Abreu for Rodgers, Hoffman, Dahl, Pint, Murphy, Tapia

Come on dude, they'd be cleaning out their entire minor league system in this proposal. You can't think this is realistic right?

Edited December 30, 2016 by Chicago White Sox

[shipps]

Just looking at some twitter time lines of credible guys that had their sources telling them something was definitely being discussed between the Yanks and the Sox. I dont see those handful of guys having bad intel. The deal either totally fell apart and the both sides just stopped talking or they are now both posturing to see who is going to budge first.

 

This is where I know I would be a terrible GM for sure. I couldnt have the patience to wait this through. Hahn must have a great poker face.

[striker]

Come on dude, they'd be cleaning out their entire minor league system in this proposal. You can't think this realistic right?

1. If you have talent on your major league roster, you can always use that to replenish your minors. For example, see the current Chicago White Sox.

 

2. They have a window to compete now. They stand to lose Arenado, Gonzalez and Blackmon in the next 1-2 years. Abreu + Quintana could add anywhere from 6 to 10 wins. Rockies are currently projected for 78 wins in 2017 by FanGraphs. Quintana (4) + Abreu (2) puts them at 84 wins in 2017.

 

3. They don't have spots to play all of their prospects. Rodgers, Tapia and Murphy don't have positions right now (not that they are all major league ready). No point in holding them in the minors, might as well convert them to return on your major league roster.

 

To me a team has to commit to winning or losing. The Rockies are in the same boat the White Sox were, mired in mediocrity, but they have the prospects to change that.

 

With my trade above, you have a sweet team for the next two years, you put your balls on the table. At the 2018 trade deadline, you can trade Blackmon or Arenado to add prospects, then in the offseason you could move Abreu, Quintana or anyone else to do the same. Or you could keep your roster as is, win 78-80 games and talk about how you have great prospects.

 

[striker]

1. If you have talent on your major league roster, you can always use that to replenish your minors. For example, see the current Chicago White Sox.

 

2. They have a window to compete now. They stand to lose Arenado, Gonzalez and Blackmon in the next 1-2 years. Abreu + Quintana could add anywhere from 6 to 10 wins. Rockies are currently projected for 78 wins in 2017 by FanGraphs. Quintana (4) + Abreu (2) puts them at 84 wins in 2017.

 

3. They don't have spots to play all of their prospects. Rodgers, Tapia and Murphy don't have positions right now (not that they are all major league ready). No point in holding them in the minors, might as well convert them to return on your major league roster.

 

To me a team has to commit to winning or losing. The Rockies are in the same boat the White Sox were, mired in mediocrity, but they have the prospects to change that.

 

With my trade above, you have a sweet team for the next two years, you put your balls on the table. At the 2018 trade deadline, you can trade Blackmon or Arenado to add prospects, then in the offseason you could move Abreu, Quintana or anyone else to do the same. Or you could keep your roster as is, win 78-80 games and talk about how you have great prospects.

 

Blackmon

LeMahieu

Arenado

Abreu

Story

Gonzalez

Desmond

Wolter

 

Gray

Quintana

Bettis

Anderson

Butler

 

That's a pretty sweet lineup. Q could win 25 games with that offense.

[steveno89]

Blackmon

LeMahieu

Arenado

Abreu

Story

Gonzalez

Desmond

Wolter

 

Gray

Quintana

Bettis

Anderson

Butler

 

That's a pretty sweet lineup. Q could win 25 games with that offense.

 

No team can afford to gut their minor league system to that extent.

 

I doubt the Rockies have the stones to make a a deal happen

[Chicago White Sox]

1. If you have talent on your major league roster, you can always use that to replenish your minors. For example, see the current Chicago White Sox.

 

2. They have a window to compete now. They stand to lose Arenado, Gonzalez and Blackmon in the next 1-2 years. Abreu + Quintana could add anywhere from 6 to 10 wins. Rockies are currently projected for 78 wins in 2017 by FanGraphs. Quintana (4) + Abreu (2) puts them at 84 wins in 2017.

 

3. They don't have spots to play all of their prospects. Rodgers, Tapia and Murphy don't have positions right now (not that they are all major league ready). No point in holding them in the minors, might as well convert them to return on your major league roster.

 

To me a team has to commit to winning or losing. The Rockies are in the same boat the White Sox were, mired in mediocrity, but they have the prospects to change that.

 

With my trade above, you have a sweet team for the next two years, you put your balls on the table. At the 2018 trade deadline, you can trade Blackmon or Arenado to add prospects, then in the offseason you could move Abreu, Quintana or anyone else to do the same. Or you could keep your roster as is, win 78-80 games and talk about how you have great prospects.

First off, your proposal is a ridiculous overpay. Two top 25 prospects plus two or three more top 100 types and then an org top 10 guy on top of that. That might the largest package of talent traded in the past 30 years. Outside of the Bartolo Colon trade to the Expos, I can't think of anything even similar. At that price, they would be so much better just signing Napoli and trading for Archer.

 

Second, no GM is trading that much talent is a single trade. First off, it's incredibly risky and has a chance of destroying the long-term well being of the franchise if things were to go south (say Quintana blowing out his shoulder). Along those same lines, the GM would be putting his career in baseball at risk at making such a "bold" trade. I can promise you if you're the GM who makes the next Shelby Miller trade, you will never be in charge of a front office again. No matter how you slice it, this type of trade is simply not happening.

[Bob Sacamano]

Blackmon

LeMahieu

Arenado

Abreu

Story

Gonzalez

Desmond

Wolter

 

Gray

Quintana

Bettis

Anderson

Butler

 

That's a pretty sweet lineup. Q could win 25 games with that offense.

 

Subtract Abreu, add Trumbo and Rockies keep half the propsects mentioned above and I think it's more realistic.

[GreenSox]

They've already found Jonathan Villar, and there are more intriguing possibilities behind him. This is the new way to take your owner's today-money and send it to the future -- the league has successfully capped spending on every form of amateur now.

Villar is an interesting case. He had a pretty good year with Houston the year before they traded him. But in that case, the Astros traded back - taking a lower level pitcher - and the Brewers taking someone more advanced. Presumably the reason was the Astros depth in the Middle Infield on the major league team and AAA.

The Sox are going to need a couple of those, if not by minor trade (like Thornton) or pure scrapheap (Quintana). Hopefully someone among the Tilsons, Davidsons, Coats becomes a player. Maybe a couple of the 2nd tier prospects they get during dispersal end up being players.

And even if they are Ross Gload, well, with the Sox had players worse than him starting last year and haven't had a bench in ages, so a couple of those guys are needed too.

[GreenSox]

Reading this got me thinking that if Hahn holds out long enough we could see the Rockies legitimately jump into the mix for Q once they trade an outfielder. Sounds alot like Pitt. If the Rockies can find a trade for Blackmon, it would ease the hit their farm would take in a trade for Q. Patience.

It's a clear fit, except that I wonder if Q's FB% isn't a little high for their needs, considering their park.

[oldsox]

I made a similar Rockies trade proposal a while back somewhere. That is, Q, a reliever, and Abreu for Rodgers, Dahl, et al. Makes sense, but Rox would not have the stones. First, they have traded for other star pitchers before, and they failed miserably (Hampton, Nagle, Kyle). There have been others, too.

 

Second, they love Dahl, and probably treat him the way Boston treats Bennitendi. IOW, hands off.

 

Third, I think the Rox GM is a bit gun shy after the Tulo experience.

 

As much as I would like to have Rodgers, the other non-Dahl parts are not enough. Tapia for one is over-rated.

 

I really think the Abreu end of the trade makes more sense for Rockies, leaving Q for someone else. Rockies more likely to overpay for Abreu than for Q. The parts are there.

[Feeky Magee]

The golden rule to consider before you propose a trade involving your team - would you accept this if you were the GM of the other team? GMs would probably accept roughly 0.34% of proposed online trades.

[ptatc]

The golden rule to consider before you propose a trade involving your team - would you accept this if you were the GM of the other team? GMs would probably accept roughly 0.34% of proposed online trades.

you're being generous.

[illinilaw08]

1. If you have talent on your major league roster, you can always use that to replenish your minors. For example, see the current Chicago White Sox.

 

2. They have a window to compete now. They stand to lose Arenado, Gonzalez and Blackmon in the next 1-2 years. Abreu + Quintana could add anywhere from 6 to 10 wins. Rockies are currently projected for 78 wins in 2017 by FanGraphs. Quintana (4) + Abreu (2) puts them at 84 wins in 2017.

 

3. They don't have spots to play all of their prospects. Rodgers, Tapia and Murphy don't have positions right now (not that they are all major league ready). No point in holding them in the minors, might as well convert them to return on your major league roster.

 

To me a team has to commit to winning or losing. The Rockies are in the same boat the White Sox were, mired in mediocrity, but they have the prospects to change that.

 

With my trade above, you have a sweet team for the next two years, you put your balls on the table. At the 2018 trade deadline, you can trade Blackmon or Arenado to add prospects, then in the offseason you could move Abreu, Quintana or anyone else to do the same. Or you could keep your roster as is, win 78-80 games and talk about how you have great prospects.

 

To the extent that the Rockies get involved on Q (and I still think it makes sense from both sides), I can't see a better offer coming back than Rodgers, Hoffman +. They aren't moving Dahl. Adding Abreu/Robertson/Frazier isn't going to up the prospect haul significantly.

 

Rockies took a big step forward last year. It's reasonable for them to think that their young pitching will improve and get them a couple extra wins this year. The offense is loaded. They can reasonably expect the bullpen to be better after their offseason.

 

The fit is there, and Rodgers is far enough away that he shouldn't be untouchable. If the Rockies want Q, they should be able to get a deal done. But there's risk from the Rockies side - Q throws his curve roughly 1/4 of the time and that might not play in Coors. Q would have to become more of a fastball/change guy at Coors Field.

[southsider2k5]

The golden rule to consider before you propose a trade involving your team - would you accept this if you were the GM of the other team? GMs would probably accept roughly 0.34% of proposed online trades.

 

Realistically with as hard as it is to consummate a trade in MLB, that percentage probably represents how many trades are accepted between GM's.

[BlackSox13]

It's a clear fit, except that I wonder if Q's FB% isn't a little high for their needs, considering their park.

It would be a perfect fit. I could be wrong but from what I understand breaking pitches do not break as much at Coors so a Fasball complimented by a good change would be work well. Q's curve could still be used just not as often.

[witesoxfan]

It's a clear fit, except that I wonder if Q's FB% isn't a little high for their needs, considering their park.

 

Jose Quintana's career GB/FB is 1.30. He is a neutral leaning towards ground ball pitcher.

[striker]

The golden rule to consider before you propose a trade involving your team - would you accept this if you were the GM of the other team? GMs would probably accept roughly 0.34% of proposed online trades.

The point of posting trade proposals is to generate conversation, regardless of their probability of really happening.

[ptatc]

Jose Quintana's career GB/FB is 1.30. He is a neutral leaning towards ground ball pitcher.

Some of that is predicated on his very good curveball. As someone else stated it may not play as well in Colorado.

[Dick Allen]

The golden rule to consider before you propose a trade involving your team - would you accept this if you were the GM of the other team? GMs would probably accept roughly 0.34% of proposed online trades.

Especially 3 ways. You probably have a better chance at talking your wife or girlfriend into a 3 way than coming up with a 3 way trade that would actually happen.

[Chicago White Sox]

The point of posting trade proposals is to generate conversation, regardless of their probability of really happening.

Look, I'm not trying to be a dick and enjoy discussing fan-generated trade proposals, but they got to be somewhat in the realm of reality to merit discussion. Your trade proposal has a 0.1% chance of happening and isn't going to generate any productive conversation on this board.

[iamshack]

Look, I'm not trying to be a dick and enjoy discussing fan-generated trade proposals, but they got to be somewhat in the realm of reality to merit discussion. Your trade proposal has a 0.1% chance of happening and isn't going to generate any productive conversation on this board.

You could always ignore his hypo.

[striker]

Look, I'm not trying to be a dick and enjoy discussing fan-generated trade proposals, but they got to be somewhat in the realm of reality to merit discussion. Your trade proposal has a 0.1% chance of happening and isn't going to generate any productive conversation on this board.

Sale got a top 10 MLB prospect, a top 30 MLB prospect and another org top 10 (which sounds like he'll land in the top MLB 100 soon), +throw in.

 

Rockies equivalent for Quintana would be Rodgers, Pint, Tapia, +throw in. Some have said the Sox are asking for more than what they got for Sale.

 

So that leaves Dahl (I think he was ranked ~70 in MLB), Hoffman (top 30 in MLB) and Murphy for Abreu.

 

The probability of every trade proposal happening is .001%. While I come to the realization it won't happen, it's not that far fetched in comparison to the Sale and Eaton trades. Like others have mentioned, signing Trumbo, Carter or Napoli then trading for Q would make more sense and I would agree. But that still lands at about .002% chance of happening.

 

Sorry for wasting your time.