harfman77 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 09:18 AM) I'm not a fan of this method of analysis. Prospect rankings are entirely subjective, so attaching a dollar amount to them is only amplifying the opinion of a very small group of people- sometimes just one person, depending on the rankings. Yeah, that is a system created by a prospect rich fanbase to de-value everyone elses established assets. The system does not take into account the bust rate of prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 10:33 AM) It is going to take more than Tucker to land Quintana. Yea I put Tucker + in my post so I don't know where you were getting at there. As iamshack said, they are lukewarm in including Martes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 10:55 AM) Yea I put Tucker + in my post so I don't know where you were getting at there. As iamshack said, they are lukewarm in including Martes as well. Then I suppose they and their fanbase can be fired up about those two not helping them win in the playoffs at all while the TOR starter they needed is pitching somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 10:47 AM) They also are a landing spot for Abreu. I'm not sure they have the prospects to land Q though. Yeah it would be a quantity discussion for sure and depend on how much the White Sox valued a player that they chose not to select in the first round just 6 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 10:47 AM) They also are a landing spot for Abreu. I'm not sure they have the prospects to land Q though. Seattle does not have the prospects for a Q deal. I liked Lewis in the draft, but he took a big injury during the season and who knows how the recovery will go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) Yeah it would be a quantity discussion for sure and depend on how much the White Sox valued a player that they chose not to select in the first round just 6 months ago. I would much rather land 2-3 elite prospects than take a quantity deal for Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 11:01 AM) Seattle does not have the prospects for a Q deal. I liked Lewis in the draft, but he took a big injury during the season and who knows how the recovery will go? Torn ACL. He should be just fine for this coming year. He's ahead of schedule in his rehab. (Must feel good to be young and heal quick) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 11:01 AM) Seattle does not have the prospects for a Q deal. I liked Lewis in the draft, but he took a big injury during the season and who knows how the recovery will go? Yeah, I agree, I'm just looking for the team to get desperate and they could fit bill. But I do like Tyler O'Neil a lot so it isn't just Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Ideally St. Louis, LAD, and Colorado could all get it done for Q too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 Looking at Houston, they had a damn good lineup last year and didn't make the playoffs. Yes, they improved their lineup by acquiring Beltran and Reddick, but they aren't stars, just solid role players. Kuechel and McHugh regressed and McCullers can't stay healthy. If they really want to go into the season with that rotation, by all means, but if you need pitching help , 5 games back of the division at the deadline, the price doubled for not adding Francis fricken Martes and Kyle Tucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Not sure if it was posted but baseball tonight suggested a trade: Houston gets: Q Sox get: Martes, Reed, Daz Cameron They went around the table and said who says no and everyone agreed it's was a perfect trade. I know everyone wants Tucker but would you be okay with this? They said Martes is the best prospect so we would get another top prospect plus Reed and Cameron (who's Mike Cameron's son). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 09:01 AM) Seattle does not have the prospects for a Q deal. 3 team trade possibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 09:33 AM) Not sure if it was posted but baseball tonight suggested a trade: Houston gets: Q Sox get: Martes, Reed, Daz Cameron They went around the table and said who says no and everyone agreed it's was a perfect trade. I know everyone wants Tucker but would you be okay with this? They said Martes is the best prospect so we would get another top prospect plus Reed and Cameron (who's Mike Cameron's son). f*** no. Not nearly enough upside talent coming back to the Sox. Switch out Cameron for Fisher & add Stubbs & they may be onto something but both of those bats have a huge risk potential involved & that's not something the Sox should remotely consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 10:33 AM) Not sure if it was posted but baseball tonight suggested a trade: Houston gets: Q Sox get: Martes, Reed, Daz Cameron They went around the table and said who says no and everyone agreed it's was a perfect trade. I know everyone wants Tucker but would you be okay with this? They said Martes is the best prospect so we would get another top prospect plus Reed and Cameron (who's Mike Cameron's son). Daz Cameron has been terrible in the low minors. Reed was terrible in his MLB stint, with a 33% K rate. I'd sooner trade Q for Martes and Tucker alone, rather than expand quantity with those other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) Not sure if it was posted but baseball tonight suggested a trade: Houston gets: Q Sox get: Martes, Reed, Daz Cameron They went around the table and said who says no and everyone agreed it's was a perfect trade. I know everyone wants Tucker but would you be okay with this? They said Martes is the best prospect so we would get another top prospect plus Reed and Cameron (who's Mike Cameron's son). Ha, I was reading this and I think I assumed Tucker was in it and thought maybe. Hard pass for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) Not sure if it was posted but baseball tonight suggested a trade: Houston gets: Q Sox get: Martes, Reed, Daz Cameron They went around the table and said who says no and everyone agreed it's was a perfect trade. I know everyone wants Tucker but would you be okay with this? They said Martes is the best prospect so we would get another top prospect plus Reed and Cameron (who's Mike Cameron's son). Daz Cameron is absolute trash. Nothing but a set of tools. He typifies the old kind of Sox draft pick who is just not a ball player. I want nothing to do with Daz Cameron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) Not sure if it was posted but baseball tonight suggested a trade: Houston gets: Q Sox get: Martes, Reed, Daz Cameron They went around the table and said who says no and everyone agreed it's was a perfect trade. I know everyone wants Tucker but would you be okay with this? They said Martes is the best prospect so we would get another top prospect plus Reed and Cameron (who's Mike Cameron's son). I would insist on Tucker being in that package over Cameron by a considerable amount Reed still has value, but his stock has taken a significant hit with such an awful 48 game mlb cup of coffee. Martes/Reed/Tucker is a deal I would accept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 09:47 AM) Daz Cameron is absolute trash. Nothing but a set of tools. He typifies the old kind of Sox draft pick who is just not a ball player. I want nothing to do with Daz Cameron. Yeah, he's the guy we would have traded for 7 years ago. Please trade for some good baseball players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 11:47 AM) Daz Cameron is absolute trash. Nothing but a set of tools. He typifies the old kind of Sox draft pick who is just not a ball player. I want nothing to do with Daz Cameron. Daz Cameron's inability to hit brings big question's into his ability to advance up the ladder. Tools don't matter if you can't get on base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) Not sure if it was posted but baseball tonight suggested a trade: Houston gets: Q Sox get: Martes, Reed, Daz Cameron They went around the table and said who says no and everyone agreed it's was a perfect trade. I know everyone wants Tucker but would you be okay with this? They said Martes is the best prospect so we would get another top prospect plus Reed and Cameron (who's Mike Cameron's son). Why should the White Sox settle for less? They don't have to trade Quintana unless they are getting outstanding value for him The drop off from Tucker to Cameron is significant. Heck the drop off from Tucker to Fisher is significant as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 09:14 AM) as opposed to praying that everyone who was signed over the offseason finds the fountain of youth and is able to recreate their career season I enjoyed the months of discussion about how awesome Felipe Paulino was gonna be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Forrest Whitley is another interesting prospect the Stros have. 1st round high school pick in 2016. He's risky as a young pitcher, but he's got enormous upside. I still want the sox to acquire young position prospects in a Quintana deal however. Doesn't have to be ALL position prospects, but 2-3 would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 09:18 AM) I'm not a fan of this method of analysis. Prospect rankings are entirely subjective, so attaching a dollar amount to them is only amplifying the opinion of a very small group of people- sometimes just one person, depending on the rankings. I've never used it for evaluating a trade, I just used it because it was the topic at hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 11:50 AM) Daz Cameron's inability to hit brings big question's into his ability to advance up the ladder. Tools don't matter if you can't get on base I know, that's what I was getting at. The lack of performance and being a tools guy instead of a skills guy is what makes him trash. I'm willing to bet he dropped in the draft because a lot of teams view him this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I want Reed, Martes, Tucker and Fisher for Q. I think that's fair value for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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