Bob Sacamano Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 What do you think the Sox would need back if they traded Quintana, Robertson and Jennings (read yesterday they are looking for pitching; Jennings replaces Logan) plus some of Robertson's contract to the Rockies? Rodgers and Tapia start the convo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 10:30 AM) I'll take Frazier, Torres and Judge. I would too. I just can tell which deal would be better Frazier, Torres, and Judge from the Yankkes Martes, Tucker, Reed, Stubbs from Houston With the Yankees deal you get 2 major league ready players (one with BIG power) With Houston deal you only get 1 major league player (with BIG power) I really think the Yankees deal would be better for the Sox but Houston deal provides more organizational depth and a higher end prospect at C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 10:51 AM) What do you think the Sox would need back if they traded Quintana, Robertson and Jennings (read yesterday they are looking for pitching; Jennings replaces Logan) plus some of Robertson's contract to the Rockies? Rodgers and Tapia start the convo? If we trade with the Rockies I would want Dahl to be in that conversation as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 That is the exact package I'd want from Yanks, but I think Cashman would get killed for doing it. They gained a lot of goodwill in those trades with their fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 QUOTE (Moncada @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 09:55 AM) If we trade with the Rockies I would want Dahl to be in that conversation as well Good point. I forgot about Dahl. I did look up Rodgers stats from last season and then I thought maybe they won't move him for anyone lol (except of course, a young controllable cheap front of the rotation arm). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I don't see Cashman trading his farm for a guy he let go, if for nothing more than ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 QUOTE (Moncada @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 10:55 AM) If we trade with the Rockies I would want Dahl to be in that conversation as well Rockies need pitching and first base. A Really big trade of Q, Robertson, and Abreu might then be enough to get Rodgers, and Dahl and a young catcher. Takes a lot of guts on both sides to do it. Rox can throw in an unknown first baseman, too, since they won't need him. Rockies probably would not do it, though. But, then, Rockies are very close to being a playoff team in 2017, and this trade would help them a lot in that regard. Desmond would go to LF, and they then have a lineup that can really score runs, plus a much better pitching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I'd be shocked if the Yankees traded what it's gonna take to acquire Quintana. All indications are that they really want those prospects to be part of their core going forward, and frankly that's the way the Yankees should go in my opinion. If, by the deadline they are competing, then they might become buyers to some degree. If I were them, I'd really want to hold onto those top prospects of theirs and see them through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowand's rowdies Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I agree with Rick trying to maximize value out of each player by not bunching them up, but if the Rockies offer Rodgers, Tapia, Murphy © and Dahl do we throw Q Abreu Robertson and maybe even Jones or Shields their way? Would they ever give up that much? Maybe some combination of those 4 for Q and Abreu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:53 AM) I'd be shocked if the Yankees traded what it's gonna take to acquire Quintana. All indications are that they really want those prospects to be part of their core going forward, and frankly that's the way the Yankees should go in my opinion. If, by the deadline they are competing, then they might become buyers to some degree. If I were them, I'd really want to hold onto those top prospects of theirs and see them through. This is why I believe the true trading options for the Sox are in order Houston, Colorado, Dodgers, Yankees (longshot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Peter Gammons @pgammo now6 seconds ago When Astros askewd on Jose Quintana, Chisox asked 3 names:Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker, Joe Musgrove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 12:00 PM) Peter Gammons @pgammo now6 seconds ago When Astros askewd on Jose Quintana, Chisox asked 3 names:Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker, Joe Musgrove Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:00 AM) Peter Gammons @pgammo now6 seconds ago When Astros askewd on Jose Quintana, Chisox asked 3 names:Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker, Joe Musgrove I can dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 The lack of catching prospects in all these packages makes me slightly concerned they aren't placing a ton of value on the position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 That's extremely reasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 12:00 PM) Peter Gammons @pgammo now6 seconds ago When Astros askewd on Jose Quintana, Chisox asked 3 names:Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker, Joe Musgrove Sox have NO power at any level in the organization. Reed has to be included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Possibility Sox are targeting all these arms with the intention of moving them/Rodon for younger position players in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 12:15 PM) Possibility Sox are targeting all these arms with the intention of moving them/Rodon for younger position players in the future? Sounds like they are just trying to get the best talent available for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 That package is absolutely fine. Plus your getting someone to replace Q in the starting rotation because Martes might not be ready to go. I bet Musgrove is the hang up in that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:20 AM) Sounds like they are just trying to get the best talent available for the most part. Yup. They're not trying to win next year so just collecting the best possible talent and they'll sort it out later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Wouldn't shock me if Musgrove is the guy the Astros don't want to part with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Shocked JJ Cooper said he wouldn't do that deal if he's the Astros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 10:17 AM) Rockies need pitching and first base. A Really big trade of Q, Robertson, and Abreu might then be enough to get Rodgers, and Dahl and a young catcher. Takes a lot of guts on both sides to do it. Rox can throw in an unknown first baseman, too, since they won't need him. Rockies probably would not do it, though. But, then, Rockies are very close to being a playoff team in 2017, and this trade would help them a lot in that regard. Desmond would go to LF, and they then have a lineup that can really score runs, plus a much better pitching staff. I think Desmond is playing first and there was talk of CarGo moving there a couple months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:13 AM) The lack of catching prospects in all these packages makes me slightly concerned they aren't placing a ton of value on the position Thats fair but maybe they truly feel Collins is the catcher of the future and just got wore down in the AFL, additionally they might feel that frazier and robertson/jones trade partners match up at the near major league level so its better to leverage Q for higher ceiling talent. Cards could be in on Frazier, they've got Carson Kelly Dodgers could be in on all of Frazier, Robertson & Jones they've got Austin Barnes Red Sox could be in on Robertson & Jones they've still got Swihart marked as 3rd string catcher Nats could be in on Robertson & Jones and they've got Severino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:00 AM) Peter Gammons @pgammo now6 seconds ago When Astros askewd on Jose Quintana, Chisox asked 3 names:Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker, Joe Musgrove 0 problem with that ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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