Quintana Rumors: Round and round and round we go

[steveno89]

I agree 100%. Doesn't seem like a Pirates thing to do. Unless they unload a couple of the guys at the MLB level for prospects.

 

The Astros seem to be the best fit, but the Pirates, Braves, Rockies, Blue Jays, Yankees, Mets could all be possibilities

[bmags]

If they include Reyes they are in the conversation, period. If they don't, hard to see match.

[YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES!]

Stephen Piscotty would be a great get but he's probably untouchable at this point.

[steveno89]

Stephen Piscotty would be a great get but he's probably untouchable at this point.

 

I can't see St. Louis being willing to deal Piscotty, it would hurt their lineup too much

[striker]

I agree 100%. Doesn't seem like a Pirates thing to do. Unless they unload a couple of the guys at the MLB level for prospects.

I disagree.

 

1. McCutchen makes Meadowns expendable. Even if they traded McCutchen, the return could be used to acquire Quintana without having to trade Meadows.

2. The Pirates have a lot of talent in both the majors and the minors. Adding Quintana would add wins sooner vs. later (with prospects).

3. Quintana is under control for four years. If they kept McCutchen and added Quintana, they could make a run for it the next couple of years and sell McCutchen at the 2018 trade deadline (if they aren't in it) and trade Quintana. That would easily replenish their minors. The risk there is if either player declines.

 

Quintana is exactly what the Pirates need, a 4 years cost controller top of the rotation starter.

[FT35]

Things went quiet after the massive haul we got for Eaton. That deal almost out-priced a lot of teams on Q because he would certainly warrant more of a return than Eaton. It's also set a high floor on what the Sox would feel would be a sufficient return for Q--relative to the first 2 deals. That means teams are basically on the hook for upping that ante past what we got for Eaton and it's possibly added an element of caution to GMs trying to deal for Robertson and Q. "Be careful not to give up too much--like the Nats did--we won't make that same mistake." Hence the delay in rumors.

[steveno89]

Things went quiet after the massive haul we got for Eaton. That deal almost out-priced a lot of teams on Q because he would certainly warrant more of a return than Eaton. It's also set a high floor on what the Sox would feel would be a sufficient return for Q--relative to the first 2 deals. That means teams are basically on the hook for upping that ante past what we got for Eaton and it's possibly added an element of caution to GMs trying to deal for Robertson and Q. "Be careful not to give up too much--like the Nats did--we won't make that same mistake." Hence the delay in rumors.

 

Quintana's price should be high.

 

Now is the perfect time to deal him given the lack of other options out there.

 

Frankly, the Rockies might need Q more than the Astros. Their pitching is pretty awful and they could use a TOR starter badly

[Bob Sacamano]

I disagree.

 

1. McCutchen makes Meadowns expendable. Even if they traded McCutchen, the return could be used to acquire Quintana without having to trade Meadows.

2. The Pirates have a lot of talent in both the majors and the minors. Adding Quintana would add wins sooner vs. later (with prospects).

3. Quintana is under control for four years. If they kept McCutchen and added Quintana, they could make a run for it the next couple of years and sell McCutchen at the 2018 trade deadline (if they aren't in it) and trade Quintana. That would easily replenish their minors. The risk there is if either player declines.

 

Quintana is exactly what the Pirates need, a 4 years cost controller top of the rotation starter.

 

I don't disagree with any of what you're saying but I would still be a bit shocked to see them make the move.

 

[steveno89]

I don't disagree with any of what you're saying but I would still be a bit shocked to see them make the move.

 

The Pirates do have the prospects to make a deal

 

Glasnow, Meadows, Bell, Newman, Keller, Hayes, Tucker, Craig, Hanson

 

All of those players would interest the Sox

[Special K]

I'm fine with this return. Perez has major helium. One of my favorite Astros prospects and would be a great get.

 

 

So we can expect another package centered around pitching prospects? I understand the philosophy of stocking up on arms, but at some point we're going to need to go for bats.

 

We can draft bats, but drafting 1 or 2 is not going to improve our depth much (especially when there's a good chance one of those picks busts).

 

Almost seems to be the exact opposite of the Cubs farm philosophy at this point. They stockpiled on positional prospects and then signed pitching (or traded for it).

 

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So we can expect another package centered around pitching prospects? I understand the philosophy of stocking up on arms, but at some point we're going to need to go for bats.

 

We can draft bats, but drafting 1 or 2 is not going to improve our depth much (especially when there's a good chance one of those picks busts).

 

Almost seems to be the exact opposite of the Cubs farm philosophy at this point. They stockpiled on positional prospects and then signed pitching (or traded for it).

 

I do want them to make a deal where we take back like 3 bats.

[steveno89]

So we can expect another package centered around pitching prospects? I understand the philosophy of stocking up on arms, but at some point we're going to need to go for bats.

 

We can draft bats, but drafting 1 or 2 is not going to improve our depth much (especially when there's a good chance one of those picks busts).

 

Almost seems to be the exact opposite of the Cubs farm philosophy at this point. They stockpiled on positional prospects and then signed pitching (or traded for it).

 

My proposed deal had AJ Reed and Kyle Tucker going to the White Sox, two guys with potential plus bat, as well as Francis Martes and Franklin Perez two potential plus arms

 

That would be a fantastic trade for the Sox, and might be more palatable for the Astros as they do not have to give up an mlb starter in Musgrove, or anyone off the current roster

[tray]

Most baseball analysts seem to think that the White Sox fleeced the Nationals for Eaton. That is not necessarily the case for a variety of reasons. First, Eaton is very underrated as a defensive player, as a lead-off man, a base runner, and as a clutch hitter with power. He really started to flourish as a defensive player last season. Second, the Nationals are unlikely to sign Bryce Harper when he hits free agency, so they are now insured that RF will be manned by Eaton . Third, Giolito is not a sure thing as was demonstrated when he came up to the major league level last season.

 

Quintana is likewise one of the more underrated players in baseball. Anyone who has watched the White Sox over the past few years has seen Quintana battle and keep the White Sox in games despite the lack of run support. Quintana is consistent, durable and he is signed for four years in a team friendly contract. The Sox should hold on to Quintana unless they are bowled over with an offer. Wait to trade Quintana until the trade deadline to maximize return.

[FT35]

Quintana's price should be high.

 

Now is the perfect time to deal him given the lack of other options out there.

 

Frankly, the Rockies might need Q more than the Astros. Their pitching is pretty awful and they could use a TOR starter badly

 

Agree. It should be high--but the Eaton trade made it even higher. If we get a top 5 prospect, another top 50 and a first rounder for Eaton--then the return on Quintana pushes into the holy crap range--how to you top that? a top 5, 2 other top 50's and another 1st rounder or top 100? What that would look like for Houston would be Bregman, Martes, Tucker, AND Musgrove! They reportedly balked at that and it didn't even include their top 5 piece!

 

I would LOVE to see the Rockies make a push. Frankly, I like their prospects better than the Astros because Rodgers seems more obtainable than Bregman (not sure why, it just seems like it!) For some reason, I can picture Quintana in a Rockies uniform easier too--seems like the type of pitcher they need.

[Buehrlesque]

The Red Sox seem to have some good prospects. How about Q for Benintendi/Devers/Swihart?

[Bob Sacamano]

Most baseball analysts seem to think that the White Sox fleeced the Nationals for Eaton. That is not necessarily the case for a variety of reasons. First, Eaton is very underrated as a defensive player, as a lead-off man, a base runner, and as a clutch hitter with power. He really started to flourish as a defensive player last season. Second, the Nationals are unlikely to sign Bryce Harper when he hits free agency, so they are now insured that RF will be manned by Eaton . Third, Giolito is not a sure thing as was demonstrated when he came up to the major league level last season.

 

Quintana is likewise one of the more underrated players in baseball. Anyone who has watched the White Sox over the past few years has seen Quintana battle and keep the White Sox in games despite the lack of run support. Quintana is consistent, durable and he is signed for four years in a team friendly contract. The Sox should hold on to Quintana unless they are bowled over with an offer. Wait to trade Quintana until the trade deadline to maximize return.

 

If he's in center field, his defensive value goes down. I don't know if the plan is for him or Harper to play center though.

[GreenSox]

While the urgency on Quintana is more on the Astros side than the Sox, it is in the Sox best interests to get him moved by July, if not by the end of March.

This is a unique period in which the free agent pitcher class is dismal. That will change next year; as such, it won't be near the seller's market as that which exists today.

[steveno89]

Agree. It should be high--but the Eaton trade made it even higher. If we get a top 5 prospect, another top 50 and a first rounder for Eaton--then the return on Quintana pushes into the holy crap range--how to you top that? a top 5, 2 other top 50's and another 1st rounder or top 100? What that would look like for Houston would be Bregman, Martes, Tucker, AND Musgrove! They reportedly balked at that and it didn't even include their top 5 piece!

 

I would LOVE to see the Rockies make a push. Frankly, I like their prospects better than the Astros because Rodgers seems more obtainable than Bregman (not sure why, it just seems like it!) For some reason, I can picture Quintana in a Rockies uniform easier too--seems like the type of pitcher they need.

 

Each trade does not need to look exactly alike as you can make up for prospect quality with volume

 

A Martes/Tucker/Reed/Perez deal would be great for the White Sox. Reed is blocked. Martes has not pitched above AA. Tucker is two years away from the majors at minimum, as is Perez.

 

Houston can afford that return as they have great depth and some interesting players in their low minors

[Bob Sacamano]

I bet a lot of moves happen (not just our team but around the MLB in general) in the next 8-9 days before the holidays.

[YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES!]

I bet a lot of moves happen (not just our team but around the MLB in general) in the next 8-9 days before the holidays.

I agree honey.

[Bob Sacamano]

I agree honey.

 

Wtf haha

[Buehrlesque]

Agree. It should be high--but the Eaton trade made it even higher. If we get a top 5 prospect, another top 50 and a first rounder for Eaton--then the return on Quintana pushes into the holy crap range--how to you top that? a top 5, 2 other top 50's and another 1st rounder or top 100? What that would look like for Houston would be Bregman, Martes, Tucker, AND Musgrove! They reportedly balked at that and it didn't even include their top 5 piece!

 

I would LOVE to see the Rockies make a push. Frankly, I like their prospects better than the Astros because Rodgers seems more obtainable than Bregman (not sure why, it just seems like it!) For some reason, I can picture Quintana in a Rockies uniform easier too--seems like the type of pitcher they need.

I agree with you here. With Bregman out of the picture, I prefer the Rockies' potential targets to the Astros'. Particularly Rodgers and Dahl, along with secondary pieces like McMahon and Murphy.

[southsider2k5]

I agree honey.

[Bob Sacamano]

I agree with you here. With Bregman out of the picture, I prefer the Rockies' potential targets to the Astros'. Particularly Rodgers and Dahl, along with secondary pieces like McMahon and Murphy.

 

4 of their top 10 prospects, all position players? Sign me up.

[YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES!]

Hahn should have a statue erected of himself in front of the G Spot if he can get Rodgers, Dahl, McMahon, and Murphy for Q.

Edited December 15, 2016 by ChiSoxFanMike