Balta1701 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 11, 2017 -> 12:22 PM) The Sox have always taken BPA with their top pick, even when they knew it was going to cost them dearly, as it did with Rodon for example. This doesn't quite sound right to me, especially if we go back a decade (same administration). With those picks they were prioritizing "having guys who could be traded or contribute to the ballclub rapidly" over the best available talent. I also feel like guys in the Mitchell-Hawkins-Anderson years were signed underslot as well, although my memory is fuzzier there so someone please tell me if I'm wrong? I feel like the moment when we could all say "The White Sox took the BPA" literally started with Rodon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 11, 2017 -> 01:09 PM) This doesn't quite sound right to me, especially if we go back a decade (same administration). With those picks they were prioritizing "having guys who could be traded or contribute to the ballclub rapidly" over the best available talent. I also feel like guys in the Mitchell-Hawkins-Anderson years were signed underslot as well, although my memory is fuzzier there so someone please tell me if I'm wrong? I feel like the moment when we could all say "The White Sox took the BPA" literally started with Rodon. Yeah I disagree for different reasons. One, I think draft history for the white sox that's useful begins with the draft allotments (2013?). But, I also think that Rodon is the only real example of us taking BPA anyway. The strategy of going underslot in the first really is only effective when you have the bigger 1-5 bonuses and would have a shot at the first group after the comps or throwing money at the final high schoolers worth a damn in the 3rd round. The sox drafted Rodon, he was also clearly BPA. Did we draft BPA with Burger? He fit our new type but I wouldn't say he was obvious BPA. With Collins? I don't think so either. But it's also because I don't really think BPA is an easy concept in the mlb draft. I think of these guys in tiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 11, 2017 -> 01:44 PM) Yeah I disagree for different reasons. One, I think draft history for the white sox that's useful begins with the draft allotments (2013?). But, I also think that Rodon is the only real example of us taking BPA anyway. The strategy of going underslot in the first really is only effective when you have the bigger 1-5 bonuses and would have a shot at the first group after the comps or throwing money at the final high schoolers worth a damn in the 3rd round. The sox drafted Rodon, he was also clearly BPA. Did we draft BPA with Burger? He fit our new type but I wouldn't say he was obvious BPA. With Collins? I don't think so either. But it's also because I don't really think BPA is an easy concept in the mlb draft. I think of these guys in tiers. 2012, that when that CBA came into effect and introduced the strict bonus pools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Oct 13, 2017 -> 12:43 PM) 2012, that when that CBA came into effect and introduced the strict bonus pools https://scout.com/mlb/scouting/Article/2018...tion--109698859 Article today with an updated top 15 draft prospect ranking for 2018. Interesting to see Singer fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Oct 30, 2017 -> 01:35 PM) https://scout.com/mlb/scouting/Article/2018...tion--109698859 Article today with an updated top 15 draft prospect ranking for 2018. Interesting to see Singer fall. I’m liking the idea of a De Sedas pick more and more, hopefully he’s there at #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 30, 2017 -> 02:12 PM) I’m liking the idea of a De Sedas pick more and more, hopefully he’s there at #4. I think he just struggled a bit in a wood bat tournament, so I wonder how teams will view that. Hopefully with him being in Florida he will face some good competition this year so teams get a better view of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 I think at this Point we just have to wait how the college and HS season goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Longenhagen at Fangraphs had a prospect chat and was asked if 2019 SS Bobby Witt Jr. is the best HS draft prospect regardless of class. He said if you think De Sedas can stay at SS, De Sedas is better, but Witt is definitely a SS and has more offensive potential than Turang. That really says alot about De Sedas to me especially because we have shown a willingness to take guys with defensive questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Longenhagen had another chat mentioning the 2018 draft. Asked to comp the shortstops in this class he compared it too the 2015 draft. Here's what he had to say: Eric A Longenhagen: That’s tough. I so love Madrigal but if you think De Sedas stays at SS, that’s the guy. There are some similarities between this group and the 2015 trio with Turang playing the Swanson role (tools aren’t loud but he plays SS and can do a bit of everything), Madrigal as Bregman (not consensus lock at SS and, if he’s not, how much pop is there?) and De Sedas as Rodgers (highest ceiling bat of the group but obviously the riskiest) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 04:41 PM) Longenhagen had another chat mentioning the 2018 draft. Asked to comp the shortstops in this class he compared it too the 2015 draft. Here's what he had to say: If he's giving Madrigal a Bregman comp, all the more reason to take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 04:51 PM) If he's giving Madrigal a Bregman comp, all the more reason to take him. But he also said that if you think De Sedas can stay at SS, which the White Sox probably do because they have taken several guys with defensive questions, then he is the best of the three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 06:38 PM) But he also said that if you think De Sedas can stay at SS, which the White Sox probably do because they have taken several guys with defensive questions, then he is the best of the three. Highest risk, highest potential. I'd prefer to get a more sure thing with a slightly lower ceiling, especially if the floor is much higher with less difference in ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 04:01 PM) Highest risk, highest potential. I'd prefer to get a more sure thing with a slightly lower ceiling, especially if the floor is much higher with less difference in ceiling. I disagree, considering what we have in TA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 04:51 PM) If he's giving Madrigal a Bregman comp, all the more reason to take him. He's giving Madrigal a 2015 draft Bregman comp. If he's comparing him to this version of Bregman, then he's also saying Turang will struggle a lot in his 1st full major league season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 10:17 PM) He's giving Madrigal a 2015 draft Bregman comp. If he's comparing him to this version of Bregman, then he's also saying Turang will struggle a lot in his 1st full major league season. That is a whole lot of castle built on a quick comp. In the long run the comp means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 16, 2017 -> 10:12 AM) That is a whole lot of castle built on a quick comp. In the long run the comp means nothing. Especially because all of those guys have less than two years of big league experience. They are still getting their own comps to other players! I just thought the interesting part of it was that those three (De Sedas, Turang, Madrigal) are considered the top three and that De Sedas is the best if he can stay at SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofthemikes Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 16, 2017 -> 11:12 AM) That is a whole lot of castle built on a quick comp. In the long run the comp means nothing. Courtney Hawkins was comped to Matt Kemp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 BAs 2018 Top 100 High School Draft Prospects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 Funny section from a Sullivan Fangraphs chat https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jeff-sulliv...phs-chat-12117/ CamdenWarehouse: Let’s pretend (yeah, pretend) that the Orioles wanted to trade their competitive balance pick, currently #33, for starting pitching. What is a fair return? Jeff Sullivan: Uhhhh Jeff Sullivan: Not finding great options as I browse the list Jeff Sullivan: James Shields, with the White Sox eating the entire contract I would totally do that trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 09:16 PM) Funny section from a Sullivan Fangraphs chat https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jeff-sulliv...phs-chat-12117/ I would totally do that trade That's paying 10M for the #33 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 09:34 PM) That's paying 10M for the #33 pick. Its not my money haha But actually, I don't think it would even take that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 09:34 PM) That's paying 10M for the #33 pick. Yes. And it's very much worth it. It also won't be the #33 pick. TB and Kansas City will have 4 comp picks after round 1. $10 million for the chance to spend an additional $2.5 million throughout the draft and add a top 40 player. That'd be an excellent deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 It isn’t paying $10M for the 33rd pick. They’re paying James Shields that money either way. The question is would you rather have Shields or the 33rd pick and the answer seems obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 QUOTE (Blackout Friday @ Dec 2, 2017 -> 04:30 AM) It isn’t paying $10M for the 33rd pick. They’re paying James Shields that money either way. The question is would you rather have Shields or the 33rd pick and the answer seems obvious. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 MLBPipeline.com put out there top 50 draft prospects today. Here is the link for the article: http://m.mlb.com/news/article/262831302/ml...picid=151437456 And here is the link for the full list: http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018/?list=draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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