Jack Parkman Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 01:58 PM) Hostetler has only been in charge of the last two drafts. I think it's a tad early to make any generalizations about Burger or Collins personally. He and his staff did not draft Rodon, Anderson or Fulmer though. I don't think it's fair to say for sure that they can't scout amateur talent. There are some things that they've done in the last two drafts that I don't like but I think it's entirely too early to state anything one way or another. I thought he was in charge for Fulmer. Even so, the track record is poor. I don't think that Collins has hit above .260 at any level. Actually I looked it up and his best season average wise was his draft year, which he hit .258 in Kanny. He hit .230 last year. I don't think he's a major league hitter if he can't crack .240 at A+ Edited April 17, 2018 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 02:10 PM) I thought he was in charge for Fulmer. Even so, the track record is poor. I don't think that Collins has hit above .260 at any level. Actually I looked it up and his best season average wise was his draft year, which he hit .258 in Kanny. He hit .230 last year. I don't think he's a major league hitter if he can't crack .240 at A+ Stop focusing so much on batting average. Collins had a .367 wOBA while struggling at High A last year and a .414 wOBA after a limited sampling in AA. He hit 20 bombs, struck out a lot and walked a ton. He had a 130 wRC+ while "struggling" in High A as well. I'm not going to sit here and say he's fine but his struggles have been very overblown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo880 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 01:10 PM) I thought he was in charge for Fulmer. Even so, the track record is poor. I don't think that Collins has hit above .260 at any level. Actually I looked it up and his best season average wise was his draft year, which he hit .258 in Kanny. He hit .230 last year. I don't think he's a major league hitter if he can't crack .240 at A+ BA is the last thing you should look at when assessing Collins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 02:32 PM) Stop focusing so much on batting average. Collins had a .367 wOBA while struggling at High A last year and a .414 wOBA after a limited sampling in AA. He hit 20 bombs, struck out a lot and walked a ton. He had a 130 wRC+ while "struggling" in High A as well. I'm not going to sit here and say he's fine but his struggles have been very overblown. I understand sabes pretty well. I read fangraphs daily and get BP's newsletter. It doesn't change the fact that you can't score without a hit unless the bases are loaded. BA is not the end all be all, but unless a player has ridiculous power,.255-.260 is the minimum level of competence for a major league hitter. Just my opinion. I also think they overvalue defense in WAR calculations, mostly because the metrics are wildly inconsistent from year to year. Therefore, I find them unreliable. Edited April 17, 2018 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 03:07 PM) I understand sabes pretty well. I read fangraphs daily and get BP's newsletter. It doesn't change the fact that you can't score without a hit unless the bases are loaded. BA is not the end all be all, but unless a player has ridiculous power, .260 is the minimum level of competence for a major league hitter. Just my opinion. I think it depends. At least with a walk, you aren't making an out, but all walks are not created equal, in situations and player skill levels. The giveaway is teams walk guys on purpose occassionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 03:10 PM) I think it depends. At least with a walk, you aren't making an out, but all walks are not created equal, in situations and player skill levels. The giveaway is teams walk guys on purpose occassionally. I also see a .340 OBP as also a minimum level of competence. Outs=baseball currency. Use them wisely. I'd like my hitters to have at least a .350 obp if I was running a team. Edited April 17, 2018 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 03:14 PM) I also see a .340 OBP as also a minimum level of competence. Outs=baseball currency. Use them wisely. I'd like my hitters to have at least a .350 obp if I was running a team. On a team basis, there are only 4 teams in all of baseball that have a .340 OBP or higher. There are only 82 qualifying players in all of baseball with a .340 OBP or higher, out of 192 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 03:18 PM) On a team basis, there are only 4 teams in all of baseball that have a .340 OBP or higher. How many are there if you took only the PA Of the position players with the most games played? Edited April 17, 2018 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I think you mean enough plate appearances to qualify for the batting title... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 really could use a new mock draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 03:14 PM) I also see a .340 OBP as also a minimum level of competence. Outs=baseball currency. Use them wisely. I'd like my hitters to have at least a .350 obp if I was running a team. lol, that'd be a hell of team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 03:28 PM) really could use a new mock draft. Here ya go: (1) Tigers: Casey Mize, RHP, Auburn (2) Giants: Shane McClanahan, LHP, South Florida (3) Phillies: Ethan Hankins, RHP, Forsyth Central (HS) (4) White Sox: Travis Swaggerty, CF, South Alabama (5) Reds: Jarred Kelenic, CF, Waukesha West (HS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 08:33 AM) I hope the Sox do not select a HS kid with #4. Too much can go wrong with a HS pitcher, and until the organization can prove it actually can develop a good major league hitter, I'd rather they draft a position player that high that is a bit more advanced. If they want HS guys to try to balance it out, go crazy with the rest of the picks. They have to hit on #4. Unless they have a HS pitcher rated far above the rest I think we need infield talent high when looking at the system right now. We should be ok at pitcher and outfield. They could take an outfielder high but seems redundant when looking at our positional strengths. Edited April 17, 2018 by soxforlife05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 12:10 PM) I thought he was in charge for Fulmer. Even so, the track record is poor. I don't think that Collins has hit above .260 at any level. Actually I looked it up and his best season average wise was his draft year, which he hit .258 in Kanny. He hit .230 last year. I don't think he's a major league hitter if he can't crack .240 at A+ Your evaluations are far too early and shortsighted, IMO. Also, my preference is to focus on the upcoming draft for this thread. Regarding the above posted mock draft, that sure would be interesting if picks 1 through 3 all went for pitching... giving us free reign to select any bat of our choice. Edited April 17, 2018 by hi8is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Yeah Collins is starting to turn into a non-prospect for me too... Apart from the walks I don't see how people like him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 07:08 PM) Yeah Collins is starting to turn into a non-prospect for me too... Apart from the walks I don't see how people like him Yeah, it's not like we've ever seen anyone with a low batting average, good eye, and good power succeed in MLB...oh, wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 05:23 PM) Yeah, it's not like we've ever seen anyone with a low batting average, good eye, and good power succeed in MLB...oh, wait... And it’s not like he’s a finished product or anything. All hope is lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 How does Swaggerty's bat project? He seems to have some swing and miss issues by looking at stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 QUOTE (hi8is @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 06:41 PM) Your evaluations are far too early and shortsighted, IMO. Also, my preference is to focus on the upcoming draft for this thread. Regarding the above posted mock draft, that sure would be interesting if picks 1 through 3 all went for pitching... giving us free reign to select any bat of our choice. San Francisco is most interesting pick to me. Who knows how they’ll want to take advantage of this position (go for a fast moving college pitcher?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I know the Sox are loaded with RHP and OF, but damn if they don't take the best player on their board. Ideally, it would be an IF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 QUOTE (hi8is @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 06:37 PM) And it’s not like he’s a finished product or anything. All hope is lost. Tyler Flowers finally put up some decent numbers with the Braves the last couple of seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 17, 2018 -> 10:08 PM) Tyler Flowers finally put up some decent numbers with the Braves the last couple of seasons. Your sarcasm detector is obviously on the fritz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Updated Fangraphs draft rankings. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/updated-201...fhw4SFc.twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Apr 18, 2018 -> 08:33 AM) Updated Fangraphs draft rankings. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/updated-201...fhw4SFc.twitter Also getting a mock sometime this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesterday333 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Apr 18, 2018 -> 07:33 AM) Updated Fangraphs draft rankings. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/updated-201...fhw4SFc.twitter Is Nander de Sadas not even in their top 55 or did I miss him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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