Dam8610 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 24 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said: Madrigal doesn't have near the power of either of those guys. To think that he has 20+ HR potential is far fetched at best. He's a terrific player, I'm not putting him down, I'm just saying in terms of pure ceiling and potential he's not an ideal top 4 pick in my opinion. Typically in the top 5 I'd expect to get a SP with #1 potential or potential franchise middle of the order type hitter. I see none of that. I'd put Madrigal as the #2 prospect in this class, I just think it's a weak class. It wasn't realistic to think Altuve had 20+ HR power until he did. Based on what I've seen, read, and heard, I think Madrigal has a decent shot of becoming the next Altuve. I know no one is supposed to say things like that because can't miss prospects bust all the time and whatnot, but the similarities to Altuve at similar ages is striking to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: It wasn't realistic to think Altuve had 20+ HR power until he did. Based on what I've seen, read, and heard, I think Madrigal has a decent shot of becoming the next Altuve. I know no one is supposed to say things like that because can't miss prospects bust all the time and whatnot, but the similarities to Altuve at similar ages is striking to me. Yeah I just can't go out on that limb to say he'll be 1 of the best hitters in the game. That's your opinion, I'm not going to talk you out of it. I hope the Sox take him and you end up being right. If I had to predict I'd say DJ LeMahieu with more speed. Which is a damn good player, make I'm being greedy by asking for more.... But if you're taking an advanced college bat like Madrigal I'd imagine he'd be on the fast track to the majors. Considering that I don't think the Sox are moving either Anderson or Moncada what position would Madrigal get moved to? Does he have the arm for 3B? Or could he make a good CF? Just something else to consider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 7 hours ago, TheFutureIsNear said: Yeah I just can't go out on that limb to say he'll be 1 of the best hitters in the game. That's your opinion, I'm not going to talk you out of it. I hope the Sox take him and you end up being right. If I had to predict I'd say DJ LeMahieu with more speed. Which is a damn good player, make I'm being greedy by asking for more.... But if you're taking an advanced college bat like Madrigal I'd imagine he'd be on the fast track to the majors. Considering that I don't think the Sox are moving either Anderson or Moncada what position would Madrigal get moved to? Does he have the arm for 3B? Or could he make a good CF? Just something else to consider Timmy probably moves to the OF IF and when the time comes Madrigal probably has an ETA of 2020 at the earliest as of now and that's obviously subject to change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 9 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: 1. Kelenic 2. Bart 3. Bohm 4. Mize Could it happen? Probably not, but god would that be the dream. Saw that DET was looking at Kelenic and was absolutely puzzled Don't get it, underslot and sign more fliers? In their defense I'm not as big on Mize as others (still prefer Singer to him) and Bart at 1 is probably a reach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Tony said: I’m on the Madrigal train at this point. He’d be unlike anything the Sox have drafted in a long time. I was thinking the same thing the other day I'll support any pick obviously but really hope it's Madrigal Not saying he's Altuve or Pedrioa 2.0 (who by the way are different players) but to get a bat that rakes like this would be major Burger, Sheets, and Collins were all power bats for the most part, Madrigal is an intelligent raker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 9 hours ago, TheFutureIsNear said: I don't love any of the other guys so I won't complain, but boy is Madrigal a very uninspiring #4 overall pick. Bad year to have the 4th pick. Getting the top bat of a class certainly isn't uninspiring, this is a weaker class but seems to have similar talent in the higher rounds at least I'd be more pissed if we get #1 next year and there isn't a Harper, Strasburg type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said: Getting the top bat of a class certainly isn't uninspiring, this is a weaker class but seems to have similar talent in the higher rounds at least I'd be more pissed if we get #1 next year and there isn't a Harper, Strasburg type The consensus #1 right now... https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/bobby-witt-jr-shows-off-five-tool-package-at-tournament-of-stars-despite-youth/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The consensus #1 right now... https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/bobby-witt-jr-shows-off-five-tool-package-at-tournament-of-stars-despite-youth/ Should I be pumped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 He has all five tools...if he can realize his potential. Hoping he’s not the next Ben Grieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 I am also less than inspired by Madrigal. Anytime you’re taking a guy who doesn’t fit the physical profile, there’s bust potential. See Fulmer, Carson. But maybe he is the best pick at 4. What I don’t get is the idea of moving him or Anderson to the OF. Sox have like 7 mlb quality OF prospects on the farm right now. I predict at least 3 of them will be better hitters than Tim Anderson. If anyone moves, I predict it would be Moncada to third base just because he has the arm and Madrigal doesn’t. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Timmy U said: I am also less than inspired by Madrigal. Anytime you’re taking a guy who doesn’t fit the physical profile, there’s bust potential. See Fulmer, Carson. But maybe he is the best pick at 4. What I don’t get is the idea of moving him or Anderson to the OF. Sox have like 7 mlb quality OF prospects on the farm right now. I predict at least 3 of them will be better hitters than Tim Anderson. If anyone moves, I predict it would be Moncada to third base just because he has the arm and Madrigal doesn’t. I know this is Soxtalk but people really need to learn some patience. Fulmer has 67 MLB innings. Does he have the possibility of a bust? Yes. But to use him as the poster child for a bust is really wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) I get it, but he lacks ideal plane and was always a risk that high in the draft. Short right handers are a risky demo to take in the Top Ten. That’s more my point than that Fulmer is a definite bust. Edited May 20, 2018 by Timmy U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Oh I was just kidding and I’m pretty sure there is bad blood between him and our front office due that David Wells / Mike Sirotka deal. He’s probably the last guy I would trust in terms of White Sox rumors. Law likes Hahn and has been complimentary of Hahn numerous times especially with trades, although he has not been positive on a lot of Sox drafting (hard to argue with that sentiment based on results). It's KW that he and the BP types didn't like. Edited May 20, 2018 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Timmy U said: I am also less than inspired by Madrigal. Anytime you’re taking a guy who doesn’t fit the physical profile, there’s bust potential. See Fulmer, Carson. But maybe he is the best pick at 4. What I don’t get is the idea of moving him or Anderson to the OF. Sox have like 7 mlb quality OF prospects on the farm right now. I predict at least 3 of them will be better hitters than Tim Anderson. If anyone moves, I predict it would be Moncada to third base just because he has the arm and Madrigal doesn’t. Yep. I am of the mind that Anderson is not a ML shortstop and arguably...get ready for it... not a ML hitter, hence moving him to the OF buys us nothing and risks blocking a more worthy player. That said, at least for the time being, we should keep throwing him out there in the unlikely event the switch gets flipped. Its not like we have anyone kicking down the door for PT. In fact, if you really scour the majors, there are only a handful of high-quality SSs who have been entrenched with their teams for a while and a bunch of teams with guys who are not performing much better than Anderson. Not obvious who we pursue, either in FA or by trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, Flash said: Yep. I am of the mind that Anderson is not a ML shortstop and arguably...get ready for it... not a ML hitter, hence moving him to the OF buys us nothing and risks blocking a more worthy player. That said, at least for the time being, we should keep throwing him out there in the unlikely event the switch gets flipped. Its not like we have anyone kicking down the door for PT. In fact, if you really scour the majors, there are only a handful of high-quality SSs who have been entrenched with their teams for a while and a bunch of teams with guys who are not performing much better than Anderson. Not obvious who we pursue, either in FA or by trade. What are you basing this assessment of Anderson on exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, Flash said: Yep. I am of the mind that Anderson is not a ML shortstop and arguably...get ready for it... not a ML hitter, hence moving him to the OF buys us nothing and risks blocking a more worthy player. That said, at least for the time being, we should keep throwing him out there in the unlikely event the switch gets flipped. Its not like we have anyone kicking down the door for PT. In fact, if you really scour the majors, there are only a handful of high-quality SSs who have been entrenched with their teams for a while and a bunch of teams with guys who are not performing much better than Anderson. Not obvious who we pursue, either in FA or by trade. You stumbled right out of the blocks with this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 4 hours ago, caulfield12 said: The consensus #1 right now... https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/bobby-witt-jr-shows-off-five-tool-package-at-tournament-of-stars-despite-youth/ I don't understand how Adley Rutschman isn't generating more buzz on that front. Switch hitting catchers that hit a tick under .400 with over .200 ISOs and more walks than strikeouts don't come along often. He's doing it as a sophomore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 14 hours ago, TheFutureIsNear said: I don't love any of the other guys so I won't complain, but boy is Madrigal a very uninspiring #4 overall pick. Bad year to have the 4th pick. I am not sure about superstar potential, but he is about a slamdunk of a starter as can be found in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: I don't understand how Adley Rutschman isn't generating more buzz on that front. Switch hitting catchers that hit a tick under .400 with over .200 ISOs and more walks than strikeouts don't come along often. He's doing it as a sophomore. As a sophomore is he eligible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: As a sophomore is he eligible? He's eligible for 2019 I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: He's eligible for 2019 I think. Yep. And he is getting talk whenever people talk about 2019. He is on the USA Collegiate National team and was named one of the top guys for 2019. There is some hesitation though because he does currently have a .450 BABIP, so he is due for some regression, and he didn't have the best summer performance last year. Edited May 20, 2018 by GenericUserName Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, GenericUserName said: Yep. And he is getting talk whenever people talk about 2019. He is on the USA Collegiate National team and was named one of the top guys for 2019. There is some hesitation though because he does currently have a .450 BABIP, so he is due for some regression, and he didn't have the best summer performance last year. You can't hit around .400 without having a high BABIP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 18 hours ago, TheFutureIsNear said: Madrigal doesn't have near the power of either of those guys. To think that he has 20+ HR potential is far fetched at best. He's a terrific player, I'm not putting him down, I'm just saying in terms of pure ceiling and potential he's not an ideal top 4 pick in my opinion. Typically in the top 5 I'd expect to get a SP with #1 potential or potential franchise middle of the order type hitter. I see none of that. I'd put Madrigal as the #2 prospect in this class, I just think it's a weak class. Pedroia's only had one year with over 20 hrs, when he had 21. He's more of a 10-15 hr guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 hour ago, ChiSox1917 said: Pedroia's only had one year with over 20 hrs, when he had 21. He's more of a 10-15 hr guy. Yes, and that was playing in Fenway Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Dam8610 said: You can't hit around .400 without having a high BABIP. Which is why Ted Williams’ 1953 season is so nuts. He hit .407 with a BABIP of .353 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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