Panerista Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:49 PM) Hey great. Did you notice the emphasis on position players that they brought in? Did you notice the half a billion dollars they spent in free agency? Doesn't matter. A minor league asset is an asset. Particularly pitchers. The Cubs had a plethora of SS. A plethora of pitchers is nearly as valuable. AND MONCADA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:52 PM) https://mobile.twitter.com/AldoSoto21/statu...8799744/photo/1 Cubs 2014 VS Sox 2016 prospect rankings. Awesome to see and more to come. Would love to add just some high ceiling hitters for Q. I'm so excited just waiting for the next shoe to drop. Seeing this and knowing there's more how can one person here be upset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:51 PM) No, it isn't. We still haven't fixed the main problem in this franchise. Why do you keep talking like we aren't done making moves? Clearly this is a multifaceted rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:40 PM) Which we have not done in any sense. We still don't have any position players. Moncada??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I guess this means we get to see more Avi Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:48 PM) We needed position players. We needed to target those types of players. Some pitching is fine. Almost all pitching is terrible. That is our problem now. How is that fixing anything? I mean apparently the plan is to keep doing the exact same thing we have been doing, but it is great because it will be new players doing it? Blah. I hate this so much. Braves of the 90s. Braves of the present. Pitching talent and depth with defense can win games just like hitting and defense does. Besides, why does it matter what position these guys play? If we truly build up a cache of pitching like ATL has, trade it for guys you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Saufley @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:55 PM) Moncada??? Anderson??? Collins?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:50 PM) Trading Sale & Q, we had no pitching. You can't just do the exact opposite. What you need is an infusion of talent and RH just got three guys in this trade who all profile as major leaguers, two of which profile as potential front of the rotation guys and the other could be a starter or a closer. That is fantastic. Oh and again, this is just one move...nothing is done yet and they also will have money to add. Yep, and I bet the centerpiece to the inevitable Quintana deal will be a top position player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:51 PM) No, it isn't. We still haven't fixed the main problem in this franchise. Yes, we have. We have a plan and Rick Hahn is clearly in charge. Both of the club's biggest problems solved. Also, the Duck Dynasty club is dead. Third biggest problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:50 PM) Come on, you know what the Sox are doing now isn't what they have done previously. You're better than that. I see your point, I really do. BUT, as been mentioned, there is still work to be done, and none of us know what was on the table. Are you suggesting the Sox take a lesser deal if it meant position prospects were offered, and not pitching? In my eyes, when you are talking about top tier prospects, you take the talent, worry about the position later. With all of the position players out there, there are plenty of smarter deals. I have littered multiple threads with all kinds of names that made more sense for the White Sox. A deal with Washington can include a Gio or Lopez, but you have got to bring back a Robles too, even if means you take less than a Dunning at the 3rd player. At the end of the Red Sox deal, don't bring back a reliever, bring back a position player of some sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Robin Ventura July 14, 1967 Lucas Giolito July 14, 1994 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:52 PM) They still acquired Arrieta developed Kyle Hendricks. Because they didn't focus on pitching, they had to spend a truckload of money for Jon Lester, and hope a guy like John Lackey doesn't suck. Yes, they won the World Series, but they're either going to have to give a truckload of money to Arrieta or trade some of that position player depth for... you guess it, pitching. Like what just happened today. Soler for Wade Davis. It goes both ways dude. The Sox can trade pitching for position players in the future, as well as sign big time position player free agents. That half billion was worth it just for Heyward's motivational speech in Game 7, lol. Bryce Harper, Kershaw and Trout are $400 million players by themselves. The game is changing. The only way we can ever make a free agency run again is clearing the decks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:55 PM) I guess this means we get to see more Avi Garcia. who cares, it's a rebuilding year and you need 25 men on the roster. Worst case he sucks and he gets DFA in July. Best case he actually turns into a 2-3 WAR starter and he's part of the rebuild. He never should have been trotted out their last year when they were trying to contend, now it doesn't matter and in fact because he's still got a non zero chance of not being a pumpkin they should trot him out there. If he helps them lose, who cares. If he helps them win, great. Either way it's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:53 PM) Seeing this and knowing there's more how can one person here be upset? The young talent we already have (Rodon, Fulmer, Anderson, Q, if they keep him), is better than what the Cubs had to start with too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Great trade. You can argue that this is better than the Sale deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Another thing not being discussed enough is that when we completely f***in suck this year we're going to get a super high pick and the ability to spend more on the draft when we have like no payroll left. Another huge infusion of talent hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:52 PM) Sox getting the number 1 pick will never feel better. Can't wait LOL You'll be used to it soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) LOL a Nats player texted Rosenthal saying, "WTF?! We still need a closer!" @Buster_ESPN Rival evaluator on the White Sox trades: "They're kicking some butt." Edited December 7, 2016 by SouthSideSale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 We also got Basabe who could be a top 100 prospect by midseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:57 PM) You'll be used to it soon enough. Fine. Give me three or four first round picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:56 PM) Yes, we have. We have a plan and Rick Hahn is clearly in charge. Both of the club's biggest problems solved. Also, the Duck Dynasty club is dead. Third biggest problem. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:57 PM) We also got Basabe who could be a top 100 prospect by midseason Ya so far we've gotten one elite hitting prospect and one pretty solid one. It's not just Yoan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:56 PM) Robin Ventura July 14, 1967 Lucas Giolito July 14, 1994 Que X Files music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Holy s*** I just woke up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:57 PM) You'll be used to it soon enough. I'm still not sure why you don't think this is a GOOD thing. They NEED to suck for a couple of seasons to get good players. That's how this game works. We're not going to outspend the contenders in payroll. Edited December 7, 2016 by JenksIsMyHero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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