Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:40 PM) A rotation of: 1. Rodon 2. Giolito 3. Lopez 4. Kopech 5. Dunning/Adams/Hansen/Fulmer The White Sox have never had a rotation with that much potential. Ever. Obviously not all these guys will reach that potential, but you can't tell me you don't find that at least a little bit intriguing. There are still plenty of pieces they can move for hitters. Give it time and judge the offseason when pitchers and catchers report next year. Hahn isn't done yet. Disagree. This is the definition of overhyping. Our current rotation had far more "potential" in the sense that you had Q/Sale/Rodon plus the Adams / Hansen / Fulmer of the world. Odds of any of the guys we get being better then Sale / Q is pretty slim. Not knocking who we got as I'm a fan of what we are doing...but this is the epitome of overrating things. Definitely more depth to the rotation, but our rotations were never the problem (back end sure). OF course I don't get very excited over Adams / Fulmer (hoping they prove me wrong). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:45 PM) I have said for months that if you went this direction you had to do it right, and build your position players. In the two biggest deals of the off season, they have probably came out even. It is a huge failure so far. Are you letting your position that the Sox can't rebuild cloud your judgment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:40 PM) Supposedly, the Sox & Astros are far along in a deal for Q according to MLB Network. Did anyone else hear that? Posted that in the Q trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Hahn says he sees all 3 as front end starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:45 PM) I have said for months that if you went this direction you had to do it right, and build your position players. In the two biggest deals of the off season, they have probably came out even. It is a huge failure so far. Yes. Nothing spells failure more than when you acquire the #1 and #3 rated prospects in all of baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:48 PM) Will someone please take Avisail from us? He'll be a warm body out in RF this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I really didn't think the league would value Eaton this highly, but they do. I think there was a good chance that he would never be seen as a potential 6 WAR player again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:52 PM) I really didn't think the league would value Eaton this highly, but they do. I think there was a good chance that he would never be seen as a potential 6 WAR player again. I don't think the other 28 GMs do either. Thank God 1 was that dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:44 PM) Here's the latest ranks in the Sox farm! http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=cws Damn, that's lookin sexy. And more to come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I'm surprised by ss2k5 calling this a failure but I think we need to wait. Our rebuild will not work regardless if the only contributors in 2018 were from trades and not our own development. Best news of day is bucket saying there is a big change internally. They are finally serious about something. They need to be good at it. Or else we will just be where we are now, getting lucky on 4 guys and garbage all around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:54 PM) Hahn echoes what has been said here. They are interested in the best possible packages, doesn't matter the position. In other words, they're holding a full-scale firesale and don't expect to compete until 2020. They'll worry about the starting lineup for 2018 next winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 It's always best to sell high on guys like Eaton. Most underrated thing about this is that Hahn needs praised about his contract negotiations that allowed him to nail this off-season (signing Sale, Eaton and Q to controllable contracts a couple years ago) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Forget top 10, can anyone name 5 better farm systems right now? We could be tops easily when this is all done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:45 PM) I have said for months that if you went this direction you had to do it right, and build your position players. In the two biggest deals of the off season, they have probably came out even. It is a huge failure so far. You could flip these same three guys for more than you could Eaton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Jack29 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:56 PM) It's always best to sell high on guys like Eaton. Most underrated thing about this is that Hahn needs praised about his contract negotiations that allowed him to nail this off-season (signing Sale, Eaton and Q to controllable contracts a couple years ago) As long as Hahn gets a couple more high-tier position player prospects this winter, he's going about this the right way. You can't win via free agency and trades when you're not a marquee franchise with deep pockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:48 PM) Disagree. This is the definition of overhyping. Our current rotation had far more "potential" in the sense that you had Q/Sale/Rodon plus the Adams / Hansen / Fulmer of the world. Odds of any of the guys we get being better then Sale / Q is pretty slim. Not knocking who we got as I'm a fan of what we are doing...but this is the epitome of overrating things. Definitely more depth to the rotation, but our rotations were never the problem (back end sure). OF course I don't get very excited over Adams / Fulmer (hoping they prove me wrong). This is a great point. I was also hoping they would target more position players, not so much pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo8 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 so bruce levine saying the nationals will put adam in center insead of right https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/806639448448499712 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:56 PM) In other words, they're holding a full-scale firesale and don't expect to compete until 2020. They'll worry about the starting lineup for 2018 next winter. I'd say 2019 and 2018 if we are WAY ahead of schedule like the Cubs were. So far the first two moves are pretty incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Holy moly ! What a last few days it's been ! Madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (gosoxtim8 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:59 PM) so bruce levine saying the nationals will put adam in center insead of right https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/806639448448499712 And suddenly, they devalue Eaton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:49 PM) Are you letting your position that the Sox can't rebuild cloud your judgment? They are proving it as far as I am concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:50 PM) Yes. Nothing spells failure more than when you don't fill any holes with your top two chips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (gosoxtim8 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:59 PM) so bruce levine saying the nationals will put adam in center insead of right https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/806639448448499712 That was the message I got from their presser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:58 PM) You could flip these same three guys for more than you could Eaton Eh. I think one thing we have learned this winter is that on the trade market, prospects are worth less than ever before. It seems like it takes more and more of them to get deals done. These guys have to turn into actual star major leaguers before they will have real value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 This take exceeds the core temperature of the sun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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