NorthSideSox72 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Similar to Rob's post covering Lopez and Dunning, here is the deep dive into the back end of the Sale deal - Luis Alexander Basabe and Victor Diaz. Includes video, as well as a quote from Nick Hostetler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Here's hoping they can turn Diaz into another Frankie Montas, who was similarly ranked when they got him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 12:02 PM) Here's hoping they can turn Diaz into another Frankie Montas, who was similarly ranked when they got him. I don't know that he's at that level or can be. Different bodies, and Montas flashed much more potential on secondaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Do we see Diaz getting pushed at all or more of a Winston-Salem guy? Would be funny if him and Leyer were together after getting that comp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) Do we see Diaz getting pushed at all or more of a Winston-Salem guy? Would be funny if him and Leyer were together after getting that comp. Hard to say for sure, but I'd guess he opens in Winston-Salem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 11:31 AM) Similar to Rob's post covering Lopez and Dunning, here is the deep dive into the back end of the Sale deal - Luis Alexander Basabe and Victor Diaz. Includes video, as well as a quote from Nick Hostetler. If Basabe can improve his hit tool he could be an excellent prospect Scouting grades: Hit: 45 | Power: 55 | Run: 60 | Arm: 60 | Field: 55 | Overall: 50 He is above average in every other skill and is only 20 years old. There is plenty of development and projection left, but this is exactly the sort of player the White Sox should gamble on in the back end of trades that could end being a mlb regular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I really like the note about how he was striking out looking a lot, seems like a symptom of going through Boston's great system of developing prospects. I hope he takes it with him and learns how to find his pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) If Basabe can improve his hit tool he could be an excellent prospect Scouting grades: Hit: 45 | Power: 55 | Run: 60 | Arm: 60 | Field: 55 | Overall: 50 He is above average in every other skill and is only 20 years old. There is plenty of development and projection left, but this is exactly the sort of player the White Sox should gamble on in the back end of trades that could end being a mlb regular Let's see what the white sox can do about that hit tool. If he can hit for above average, he'd be a top 100 prospect next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2...l?event=event12 I made a joke that it was unlikely the sox backed off divers and then just offered up basabe/diaz, but it looks like that's actually how it happened. Always funny to realize that the front offices have their own way to measure prospects, not looking at the BA top 100. So if Basabe and Diaz have a good year next year, let's remember our scouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 02:20 PM) http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2...l?event=event12 I made a joke that it was unlikely the sox backed off divers and then just offered up basabe/diaz, but it looks like that's actually how it happened. Always funny to realize that the front offices have their own way to measure prospects, not looking at the BA top 100. So if Basabe and Diaz have a good year next year, let's remember our scouts. Makes you think we could have gotten a little more out of them...makes you wonder if the Red Sox would have ultimately caved on Devers or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 The only thing I don't like about these two is that the White Sox took another chance on an athlete with a sketchy hit tool when they've had a difficult time developing those players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 11:36 AM) The only thing I don't like about these two is that the White Sox took another chance on an athlete with a sketchy hit tool when they've had a difficult time developing those players. Basabe is pretty talented and his tools make him a good gamble for the white sox. He's more than just a throw in for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxcessful Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 11:36 AM) The only thing I don't like about these two is that the White Sox took another chance on an athlete with a sketchy hit tool when they've had a difficult time developing those players. The white sox have had a difficult time developing those players because they scouted and drafted bad players. I'll trust the red sox scouting to acquire basabe in the first place as reason enough to believe he will develop just fine. Some how I think the position players drafted by hostel tear last year will develop just fine as their scouting was far better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I'm weirdly very excited about Basabe. Like in my head for some reason I keep thinking his ceiling (I'm talking max skill) is something like Mike Cameron. .260 hitter with 20-25 HR, 20-25 SB, plus defense. Except Cameron has better plate discipline with BB and K rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 12:33 AM) I'm weirdly very excited about Basabe. Like in my head for some reason I keep thinking his ceiling (I'm talking max skill) is something like Mike Cameron. .260 hitter with 20-25 HR, 20-25 SB, plus defense. Except Cameron has better plate discipline with BB and K rates. He is completely overshadowed by Moncada/Kopech, but dude is a legit prospect. Loud tools and if he puts up numbers in 2017 I'd expect to see start popping up on the back ends of top 100 lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) He is completely overshadowed by Moncada/Kopech, but dude is a legit prospect. Loud tools and if he puts up numbers in 2017 I'd expect to see start popping up on the back ends of top 100 lists. If he can take that currently 45 hit tool and bring it up to a 50 grade league average we will be looking at another top 100 prospect that has the potential to stick in center field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 It was mentioned on MLBN this morning that Basabe will be in the top 100 when it gets updated for MLB.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 03:13 PM) It was mentioned on MLBN this morning that Basabe will be in the top 100 when it gets updated for MLB.com Well how bout that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 02:13 PM) It was mentioned on MLBN this morning that Basabe will be in the top 100 when it gets updated for MLB.com Our Luis Basabe correct? Not his twin brother Luis Basabe? haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 02:39 PM) Our Luis Basabe correct? Not his twin brother Luis Basabe? haha "Our" Luis Alexander Basabe is the much better prospect than his brother. I heard Jim Callis tell a story that when the Diamondbacks traded Ziegler to the Red Sox last year, they accidentally asked for Alejandro when they actually wanted Alexander. Normally I'd say thats unbelievable, but this is Dave Stewart we are talking about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 03:15 PM) "Our" Luis Alexander Basabe is the much better prospect than his brother. I heard Jim Callis tell a story that when the Diamondbacks traded Ziegler to the Red Sox last year, they accidentally asked for Alejandro when they actually wanted Alexander. Normally I'd say thats unbelievable, but this is Dave Stewart we are talking about... I was only joking really haha but that is a crazy story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 04:15 PM) "Our" Luis Alexander Basabe is the much better prospect than his brother. I heard Jim Callis tell a story that when the Diamondbacks traded Ziegler to the Red Sox last year, they accidentally asked for Alejandro when they actually wanted Alexander. Normally I'd say thats unbelievable, but this is Dave Stewart we are talking about... Reminds me of KW's Berry/Barry trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Basabe mentioned here. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/212224800/10...uccess-in-2017/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 11:30 AM) Basabe mentioned here. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/212224800/10...uccess-in-2017/ I was hoping for Devers, but figured Boston would not want to overpay that much. I'm not sure I'd put Basabe in the top #100 prospects just yet due to his fringe average hit tool. He was young for his minor league level in 2016, and he could break out in 2017 if he continues to improve. A .780 OPS at 19 years old is reasonably impressive against older competition. If he develops into a legitimate top #100 prospect it makes the Sale deal look even better. I did say at the time Basabe is far more than just a throw in piece. Edited December 28, 2016 by steveno89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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