2017 Democratic Thread

[Reddy]

The Dems that stand in the way of single payer are going to get run over...the lesson Of Obama's first election and Sanders is to get thousands of small donations instead of owing allegiance to Big Pharma and the insurance industry.

 

Not everywhere! That's my point. It's not one size fits all. Ossoff would get crucified for a single payer stance in GA6.

[Reddy]

The takeaway I have is that the worst thing Bernie sanders did was make his followers believe that the DNC and DCCC are powerful institutions.

 

The same people donating to DNC/DCCC were donating privately to Quist through DailyKos or SwingLeft. The continued b.s. that they are the only ones doing anything just poisons the well.

 

Parallel there between bernie sanders groups and the millionaire who believes they earned everything through sheer force and never had a helping hand.

Agreed. I'm not a fan of Sanders himself, as the demagogue he is, but support the policies he advocates, have donated multiple times to Quist, AND I donate to the DNC, DCCC (though far less often than to candidates themselves).

[StrangeSox]

I am really angered over this Gianforte assault. The assault is crazy, the audio when I listened last night was worse than I imagined. But the response, where they lied and basically justified that he was a liberal journalist is just too much the playbook right now. ANd right away Ingraham goes on to justify it. And right away the MRC head justifies it.

 

The National Review team and many republican ops came out against it. But the unchallenged platform *from republican politicians* that people like Bozell and Ingraham get after crap like this is ridiculous.

 

I hate twitter threads, but Rick Wilson had a good one along these lines.

 

https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/867716102062825472

[caulfield12]

lmao let me give you an NBC hot take

 

I know Pence went up there to campaign...Trump recorded a robocall message.

 

The spin is going to be that Gianforte had a 3-5 point lead and that all the rural mail in ballots from rural Gianforte voters were already sent in before this story broke...that it was too late to turn around an ad buy, and in fact the three main newspapers still have endorsements connected to ads running today for Gianforte.

 

Have the feeling this will go to the Dems, but it will be very tight. Keep in mind Trump won there by a pretty significant margin, something like 20+ points.

 

Otoh, nobody really likes Gianforte, he's actually the establishment Hillary of this race who already lost a bid for governor.

 

At any rate, we'll see which model works better, the DCCC or Sanders/Ellison wing.

 

 

http://www.omaha.com/news/politics/city-el...7182190462.html

Sanders coming in probably backfired in Omaha, but nobody other than Obama or maybe Biden could have shifted that vote.

[bmags]

I have never donated to DNC or DCCC as I've never seen the point and they always give away s*** tons to seats that already get a lot of money. But they are important for recruiting candidates, less so for deciding who to fund to win.

[GoSox05]

Should be donating less to DNC and more to DSA. That's my opinion on the matter.

[Reddy]

I know Pence went up there to campaign...Trump recorded a robocall message.

 

The spin is going to be that Gianforte had a 3-5 point lead and that all the rural mail in ballots from rural Gianforte voters were already sent in before this story broke...that it was too late to turn around an ad buy, and in fact the three main newspapers still have endorsements connected to ads running today for Gianforte.

 

Have the feeling this will go to the Dems, but it will be very tight. Keep in mind Trump won there by a pretty significant margin, something like 20+ points.

 

Otoh, nobody really likes Gianforte, he's actually the establishment Hillary of this race who already lost a bid for governor.

 

At any rate, we'll see which model works better, the DCCC or Sanders/Ellison wing.

 

 

http://www.omaha.com/news/politics/city-el...7182190462.html

Sanders coming in probably backfired in Omaha, but nobody other than Obama or maybe Biden could have shifted that vote.

 

Sanders may have helped in Montana. He would have hurt in GA6. It's not a "which works better" type question, it's knowing when to appeal to which wing of the party based on demographics and past voter behavior. The Trumpier the state, the more likely Bernie plays.

[Reddy]

Should be donating less to DNC and more to DSA. That's my opinion on the matter.

 

Actually the best places for progressives to donate right now are Swing Left and flippable.org, IMO

[StrangeSox]

[bmags]

The new "runner takes the pot" fundraising is pretty innovative and a number of places doing them. Really smart stuff. DailyKos/MoveOn all stepped up out of the dust, swing left, dsa, flippable.

 

All better bang for your buck then DCCC and DNC (because they aren't set up for the same things those places are)

[Quin]

The takeaway I have is that the worst thing Bernie sanders did was make his followers believe that the DNC and DCCC are powerful institutions.

 

The same people donating to DNC/DCCC were donating privately to Quist through DailyKos or SwingLeft. The continued b.s. that they are the only ones doing anything just poisons the well.

 

Parallel there between bernie sanders groups and the millionaire who believes they earned everything through sheer force and never had a helping hand.

 

Bernie's refusal to accept that he simply lost the popular vote and pledged delegates has done so much lasting damage to the Democratic Party.

 

It went from "the super delegates will ruin this for us!" to "Super delegates, vote for me!"

[bmags]

Bernie's refusal to accept that he simply lost the popular vote and pledged delegates has done so much lasting damage to the Democratic Party.

 

It went from "the super delegates will ruin this for us!" to "Super delegates, vote for me!"

 

I really don't think it will, but it is an ongoing thing that annoys me, so I feel free to ridicule.

 

 

[Quin]

In other news, Hannity losing advertisers. Ruh-roh

[Reddy]

Sure, but Swing Left and its ilk are legitimately visionary organizations that can make massive differences regardless of political ideology and party loyalty. It's something we can all agree on, whichever side of the party you find yourself on.

[StrangeSox]

That wasn't targeted at anyone in particular

[caulfield12]

I heard that jackass Gianforte is supposed to go on Fox News at 2 pm Eastern.

 

Seems pretty ill-advised. Should have dealt with it in the morning.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/25...lt-charges.html

Cancelled. Somehow I doubt he'll get the six months in jail. Unless there was a Dem sheriff who hadn't already donated to his campaign charging him with a felony.

Edited May 25, 2017 by caulfield12

[bmags]

Bleeding heart in me but I don't necessarily think he should go to jail if that's his first offense.

[caulfield12]

About 37 percent of registered voters had already sent in absentee ballots by Wednesday night, when Gianforte was accused of "body-slamming" Ben Jacobs, a reporter for The Guardian, at a campaign event in Bozeman. Jacobs was asking Gianforte questions about the Congressional Budget Office's scoring of the Republican plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act when audio recorded by Jacobs captured a violent encounter.

 

Had earlier heard numbers around 65-70%. That's much lower.

 

 

If a voter who already cast an absentee ballot tries to show up at the polls Thursday, election workers' voting rolls will show the voter as already having voted. Oestreicher described Thursday morning what would happen if this occurred but an absentee ballot had been sent but not yet been received by the county.

 

"It is theoretically possible, but not pragmatic or practical, that someone could present at the polling place to vote prior to their absentee ballot being received at the county election office. It is highly unlikely at this late stage in the pre-election process. This scenario, technically, could invalidate a yet-to-be-returned absentee ballot. Practically speaking, however, this would be nearly impossible for the county election officials to track at this juncture."

 

 

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-...0bf5b2fb26.html

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/alexis_levinson?...02bb3560bb.html

 

Buzzfeed witness

“I heard the crash and saw his feet fly,” she told MSNBC. She later told CNN that right before the incident, Scanlon (Chief of Staff) had made some comments to Jacobs about not being happy with a previous Guardian story about Gianforte. “They are taking press they don’t like very personally.”

Edited May 25, 2017 by caulfield12

[StrangeSox]

caulfield for the love of god learn to use the "quote" feature your posts are unreadable

[caulfield12]

https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveDaines/stat...752083021340673

 

Hmmm...it doesn't work with an iPad.

Edited May 25, 2017 by caulfield12

[bmags]

Why? Well, one reason is that many men in America right now have little to offer women. They do not live up to either to the old, chauvinistic standards for adult men or the new, egalitarian ones. They want what Trump has — the women, the money, the brass-plated apartment — without having to do better or be better to get it.

 

They think they'd be better off under a return to high-school norms, where men could "be men" but really be boys, and gain status through cruel dominance plays without bearing any real life responsibilities.

http://www.businessinsider.com/gianforte-b...ana-vote-2017-5

 

Edit: this is regarding Gianforto

[StrangeSox]

I am really angered over this Gianforte assault. The assault is crazy, the audio when I listened last night was worse than I imagined. But the response, where they lied and basically justified that he was a liberal journalist is just too much the playbook right now. ANd right away Ingraham goes on to justify it. And right away the MRC head justifies it.

 

The National Review team and many republican ops came out against it. But the unchallenged platform *from republican politicians* that people like Bozell and Ingraham get after crap like this is ridiculous.

 

 

Reid J. Epstein @reidepstein

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NRCC Chairman Steve Stivers on Montana body-slam incident: "We all make mistakes."

 

"We all erupt into violence when asked questions we don't like" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Jenksismyhero]

Tomorrow will test the oft-posed question: Can you literally assault a reporter and still get elected in 2017?

I'm not optimistic it's a no.

 

Wow.

 

You can be a felon and win office. You can be dead and win office. This story is not some benchmark that proves where we, as a country, are in our democracy. It's been f***ed up and broken for a LOOOOOONG time.

[StrangeSox]

It also happened ~12 hours before the polls opened but also after several hundred thousand mail-in ballots had already been cast. It's the edge case of "what if something dramatic happens at the last minute??" some people use to argue against early voting/mail voting.

[southsider2k5]

It also happened ~12 hours before the polls opened but also after several hundred thousand mail-in ballots had already been cast. It's the edge case of "what if something dramatic happens at the last minute??" some people use to argue against early voting/mail voting.

 

it is also why Pols want you to vote early. No chance at an 11th hour scandal taking you down.