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I dunno where to dump this since it doesn't deserve it's own thread, but Berghdal is only being dishonorably discharged, no prison time.

 

e: the judge specifically said he was considering Trump's dumbass tweets about Bergdahl for sentencing. gotta wonder what impact his DEATH PENALTY!!!!!! tweets about the NYC attacker will have.

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 10:45 AM)
I dunno where to dump this since it doesn't deserve it's own thread, but Berghdal is only being dishonorably discharged, no prison time.

 

e: the judge specifically said he was considering Trump's dumbass tweets about Bergdahl for sentencing. gotta wonder what impact his DEATH PENALTY!!!!!! tweets about the NYC attacker will have.

 

I'm a little torn on this. He got a lot of people killed for at worst being a traitor or at best being a complete and utter moron. But if he was to be believed, he was also imprisoned and tortured while a captive, so I suppose it's sort of a wash.

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He was probably mentally ill and never should have been let in the army.

 

The "got people killed" thing is a bit of a stretch. What happened was that rescue missions were more likely to get approved, so they would toss in "oh and look for bergdahl" as a secondary objective.

 

He also spent five years in captivity already so that seems like enough punishment.

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 03:23 PM)
He was probably mentally ill and never should have been let in the army.

 

The "got people killed" thing is a bit of a stretch. What happened was that rescue missions were more likely to get approved, so they would toss in "oh and look for bergdahl" as a secondary objective.

 

He also spent five years in captivity already so that seems like enough punishment.

I feel like he should have gotten some additional punishment but you also have to take into account the President attempting to publicly influence the case.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 05:17 PM)
I feel like he should have gotten some additional punishment but you also have to take into account the President attempting to publicly influence the case.

 

One of my friends served in the unit.

 

This is how he feels.

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well brazille may have been exaggerating or conflating two different agreements to save her own ass

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/...nc-deal-n817411

Memo Reveals Details of Hillary Clinton-DNC Deal

 

WASHINGTON — The Democratic National Committee struck a deal with Hillary Clinton in 2015 that gave her campaign input on some party staffing and spending decisions, but only for the general election and allowing other candidates to make similar arrangements, according to a memo obtained by NBC News.

 

The document provides more context to the explosive claims made by former DNC Interim Chair Donna Brazile in a forthcoming book, an excerpt of which was published this week.

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The deal only pertained to the general election, NOT the primary. There was literally NOTHING here that was different than every other agreement every candidate has made with the DNC for the last 15 years.

 

Donna Brazile, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Jeff Weaver and Nina Turner should be ashamed.

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 4, 2017 -> 08:26 AM)
I don't think Sanders said much of anything beyond yelling at Trump that we won't be distracted but you sure do seem to hate him.

Jeff Weaver - the head of Bernie's organization - was all over the talk shows spewing BS about this. Come on. Trump is responsible for the things his people do but Bernie isn't?

 

And yes, I do hate him. Guilty.

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QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 4, 2017 -> 12:39 PM)
Rigging the DNC primary = petty bulls***.

 

Immaterial amounts of Russian bought ads supporting Trump, Sanders and Stein over Clinton on Facebook = BIG DEAL.

 

It turns out Brazile was wrong, plus Reddy is pro Clinton so that doesn't even really make sense

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 4, 2017 -> 12:54 PM)
Enjoy continuing to fracture the Democratic base over petty bulls***

Like the s*** Donna Brazile just dumped on the party? Come on. I wouldn't be talking about this anymore if Berners wouldn't keep re-litigating 2016.

 

I defend. I don't bring this s*** up anymore. The only elections that actually matter are the ones in 2017, 2018 and beyond.

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QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 4, 2017 -> 12:39 PM)
Rigging the DNC primary = petty bulls***.

 

Immaterial amounts of Russian bought ads supporting Trump, Sanders and Stein over Clinton on Facebook = BIG DEAL.

Whoever I am supporting in 2020 really needs to make sure they have a foreign government supporting them. Now that we know that actually buying ads to support a candidate on behalf of a foreign government is legal as long as it's "immaterial" that's a line of advantage we need to make sure we take advantage of.

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QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 6, 2017 -> 02:12 PM)
Donna Brazile dedicates her book to Seth Rich and took actions to protect herself following his death.

 

 

 

It is strange that Brazile would take measures to protect herself after a coworker was killed in an alleged botched robbery. I don't think one coworker being a victim of a robbery would make another coworker more likely to experience a robbery.

If they travel in the same areas they would. We have had 2 muggings within feet of my front door the last 2 months. One a neighbor was followed from his car, beaten over his head and they took his keys and his car. Saturday night there was an incident with a gun. The details haven't come out but the perps were arrested and the gun was recovered. It has made me take measures to protect myself.

 

I've never had a friend or co-worker murdered, but if they were, I think, at least initially, it's natural to become more vigilant. It's a wake up call that something bad can happen to you.

 

 

But I'm sure you think it's a reference to a conspiracy and Hillary was going to murder them all. At some point, I think you will have to see the ridiculousness of all the Hillary conspiracies you seem so gung ho about.

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There are multiple definitions of the word "rigged" being used in arguments here.

 

If you are talking about the DNC system, financially and via super delegates, being set up to favor pre-defined candidates... that's certainly accurate, and it is one version of "rigged". But that doesn't make it illegal.

 

If you are talking about the maneuvering of money to prop up the DNC and give Clinton more control, that's not really "rigged" at all, that's a hostile takeover. For good or bad.

 

If you are purporting some sort of conspiracy to make it impossible for anyone other than Hillary to have won the primaries... then you just like to use the word "rigged" to feel better. They made it harder for Sanders, but there is no evidence of doing anything outside the rules previously existing and that Bernie was aware of going in (or should have been).

 

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 6, 2017 -> 07:54 PM)
There are multiple definitions of the word "rigged" being used in arguments here.

 

If you are talking about the DNC system, financially and via super delegates, being set up to favor pre-defined candidates... that's certainly accurate, and it is one version of "rigged". But that doesn't make it illegal.

 

If you are talking about the maneuvering of money to prop up the DNC and give Clinton more control, that's not really "rigged" at all, that's a hostile takeover. For good or bad.

 

If you are purporting some sort of conspiracy to make it impossible for anyone other than Hillary to have won the primaries... then you just like to use the word "rigged" to feel better. They made it harder for Sanders, but there is no evidence of doing anything outside the rules previously existing and that Bernie was aware of going in (or should have been).

Brazille's book sort of alleged the bolded, which is where this conversation began, but the documents haven't supported the worst interpretations of her remarks. They seem to have pushed the rules, probably unnecessarily so.

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 05:59 PM)
In Nevada, the GOP is trying to initiate recall elections against numerous Democratic Senators in order to retake that chamber.

 

https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/so...pecial-election

 

There are a lot of really unhealthy things going on in our democracy right now.

 

Pretty smart. Democrat voters don't show up to recall/off-year elections, so just recall every current Democrat and pick up their seats.

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The (37% Dem approval) rating includes low favorable ratings from some core Democratic groups, including nonwhites (48%) and people under 35 years old (33%). The numbers come amid recent feuds and divisions in the Democratic Party, as former interim chair Donna Brazile's new book has unveiled new questions about infighting during the 2016 presidential campaign.

 

But the Republican Party isn't doing any better, with just 30% of Americans holding a favorable view. That's essentially the same as September, when the rating hit its lowest point in polling back to 1992, but down from 42% in March. A broad 6 in 10, 61%, have an unfavorable opinion.

 

This means both parties sit at or near rock bottom as voters go to the polls across the country on Tuesday, most prominently in governor's races in Virginia and New Jersey, as well as dozens of local and mayoral races nationwide.

A substantial 33% of liberals and 41% of conservatives have unfavorable views of the Democratic and Republican parties, respectively. Plus, 4 in 10 independents, 42%, say they have an unfavorable view of both parties vs. only 8% who say they have a favorable view of both.

 

Indeed, a bare majority of Americans, 51%, say it's bad for the country that the Republican Party is in control of Congress. Only 38% say GOP control is good for the nation. That's worse than at any point in CNN's polling on the Democratic majority in Congress between 2007 and 2010.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/cnn...axes/index.html

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