2017 Democratic Thread

[StrangeSox]

I don't think so since it's mostly s***ting all over Moore and the Alabama GOP's response. The D and R threads have been intended for more partisan posting, not necessarily posting news about D or R.

[Quin]

I don't think so since it's mostly s***ting all over Moore and the Alabama GOP's response. The D and R threads have been intended for more partisan posting, not necessarily posting news about D or R.

 

Yup.

 

Also, Moore's brother said he's being persecuted like Jesus.

[StrangeSox]

Alabama State Rep: Legal action should be taken based on the WaPo allegations.

 

(against the accusers)

 

The entire Alabama GOP coming out strongly in defense of kid touching is horrifying. Romney and McCain (and sorta Portman) are the only ones who have made unequivocal denunciations of Moore that I've seen. The rest have said weasel-word "if proven true" statements, knowing full well there isn't going to be a criminal case where the allegations get "proven" in court or something. Multiple, independent allegations with 30+ sources is about as good as you can get.

 

Add Peter King from NY to the list of GOP people making a meaningful statement. He's putting the burden on Moore to disprove the allegations or step down within 48 hours.

 

https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/929033173673152513

[Balta1701]

I don't think so since it's mostly s***ting all over Moore and the Alabama GOP's response. The D and R threads have been intended for more partisan posting, not necessarily posting news about D or R.

If someone wants to defend Moore I'm happy to let that be in the other thread.

[Dick Allen]

I guess State, I mean Fox News refuses to accept anything other than whatever the right proposes, it's great for everyone.

Policy Institute founder Simon Rosenberg appeared on Fox News and tried to make a point about how the proposed Republican tax plan would actually raise taxes on middle-income families as time passes. “Over time, a majority of middle-class people will be paying more in taxes rather than less,” he explained. Fox News host Melissa Francis didn't like the numbers he was using, so she told him they didn't count. “No, no, I don’t accept that math. It’s static analysis, and I don’t accept static analysis. I only agree with dynamic analysis, because when you cut, the economy’s going to grow.

 

Rosenberg walked off the set.

[StrangeSox]

THOU SHALT

 

Edited November 10, 2017 by StrangeSox

[StrangeSox]

Right wing blogs/social media are now spreading entirely fabricated rumors that WaPo was offering women money to go on the record against Moore, and they're doxxing the accusers.

 

Roy Moore is going to be a US Senator and the women who accused him are going to be harassed and threatened endlessly.

[Reddy]

Right wing blogs/social media are now spreading entirely fabricated rumors that WaPo was offering women money to go on the record against Moore, and they're doxxing the accusers.

 

Roy Moore is going to be a US Senator and the women who accused him are going to be harassed and threatened endlessly.

The GOP has pulled all funding, and I'm sure they're going to try and mount a write in campaign to pull from his vote total, in an attempt to give the election to Jones.

 

The GOP in congress would absolutely rather lose a seat than have Moore hanging over their heads, and causing problems.

[GoSox05]

The GOP has pulled all funding, and I'm sure they're going to try and mount a write in campaign to pull from his vote total, in an attempt to give the election to Jones.

 

The GOP in congress would absolutely rather lose a seat than have Moore hanging over their heads, and causing problems.

 

Are sure you are familiar with who the GOP are? Trump?

 

 

[StrangeSox]

If anything I think they'd just expel him from the Senate and replace him with some other hand-picked R from Alabama until they hold another special election in 2018. Moore will be more hated than Cruz in D.C. anyway.

 

But what will really happen is they'll seat him because he'll vote for tax cuts, probably.

Edited November 10, 2017 by StrangeSox

[StrangeSox]

Just now, in an interview with Hannity, Moore is admitting that he dated girls as young as 16* when he was in his 30's. So he's "only" denying sexual assaulting the 14 year old, not being a child predator in general.

 

 

*was the age of consent but still, what the f*** is wrong with a 30-something guy who's dating high schoolers?

[Dick Allen]

McConnell says he misspoke when he said no one in the middle class would get a tax increase under their new make the rich richer scheme.

[bmags]

The GOP has pulled all funding, and I'm sure they're going to try and mount a write in campaign to pull from his vote total, in an attempt to give the election to Jones.

 

The GOP in congress would absolutely rather lose a seat than have Moore hanging over their heads, and causing problems.

Via @vaughnhillyard

 

AL RNC Commtteman Paul Reynolds on write-in candidate: "If it is possible legally & somebody tries it & a DEM wins & it's pretty relatable to them, I think they need to be packed up & ready to go. Atlanta is not very far away--or they'll need to be north of the Mason-Dixon line."

 

Excellent analysis

[StrangeSox]

"we'll lynch someone if they stop us from electing a child molester to the Senate"

 

 

Never change, Alabama GOP.

[Reddy]

Via @vaughnhillyard

 

 

 

Excellent analysis

I'm confused why you think an unimportant Alabama RNC official's opinion means nearly as much as the views of the GOP leadership in the RNC and in congress.

[bmags]

Did you guys know that Abraham Lincoln was a republican?

[CrimsonWeltall]

Did you guys know that Abraham Lincoln was a republican?

 

Forever and always the party of Northern progressives, hated by racist, Southern white conservatives.

[StrangeSox]

The KKK kept prominence in Alabama by aligning with Democrat politicians... I know this is the Dem thread but can't distort history.

 

Yes, this is true. Things have changed over the past half century. The Dem candidate is most notable for prosecuting KKK child murderers.

 

[StrangeSox]

Funny. But the KKK supported Democratic Governor in the lifetime of people posting here.

 

Why do you think this is relevant in this case? When an Alabama GOP official is threatening to lynch anyone who stops them from electing Roy Moore?

 

The parties realigned ideologically and geographically from the 60's and through really about the early 00's. The Democrats used to have a very strong southern white base but haven't in years. Nobody denies what happened in the past.

Edited November 11, 2017 by StrangeSox

[caulfield12]

But Thomas Jefferson and James Madison...

 

Thomas Jefferson opposed the Federalists, who wanted a stronger national government and alliance with England. He initially called the party “Republican,” but the name became “Democratic-Republican.” Still later, it dropped the second part of that long hyphenation and became 1854’s and today’s Democratic Party.

 

OmG...this little fact seems to count less than George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and the Dixiecrats. In fact, that split of the party beginning in 1968 is what directly led to GOP presidents for 16 out of 20 and 24/36 years.

 

[caulfield12]

Why do you think this is relevant in this case? When am Alabama GOP official is threatening to lunch anyone who stops them from electing Roy Moore?

 

You just came up with a new Curb Your Enthusiasm skit...potentially ranking right up there with the “fake kamikaze” episode.

Edited November 11, 2017 by caulfield12

[Reddy]

The KKK kept prominence in Alabama by aligning with Democrat politicians... I know this is the Dem thread but can't distort history.

Whether Democrats or Republicans in label, the views of those people have never changed. The point you're making is always literally meaningless. The parties stood for entirely different things. Abraham Lincoln would've been a Democrat by today's standards. So stahp.

[caulfield12]

Sean Hannity was the first out of the gate defending Moore on his Fox News radio show shortly after the allegations broke Thursday. Hannity first attacked Republicans like John McCain who called for Moore to withdraw. "So now you've got the swamp, you've got the sewer, you've got the establishment -- they hate Roy Moore...(he's) somebody they can't control," he said.

 

Then Hannity jaw-droppingly agreed with his guest that Moore's relationships with the four then-teens were "consensual." After a media firestorm erupted, however, Hannity backpedaled, saying he "misspoke" and he only meant Moore's relationship with the older teenagers, not the 14-year-old, was consensual.

 

Despite Hannity claiming he "misspoke," that night on his Fox News show he continued trying to help Moore. This time, though, it was by way of his guest who attacked the credibility of Moore's accusers, saying "there are women that are victims of predators," but they are "very few and far between." Hannity didn't push back at all. (In reality, studies have found only 2% to 10% of sexual assault claims are false.)

 

Then there was Fox News' Gregg Jarrett who publicly questioned the credibility of Moore's accusers. According to Jarrett, the validity of the claims is called into question because the news came from The Washington Post shortly before an election.

 

And on Saturday night, Fox News host Jeanine Pirro also sought to undermine the credibility of the four women by noting that the incident occurred 40 years ago. Her guest, Fox News contributor David Bossie, further tried to delegitimize the women by claiming that one of them was "a leftist activist in Alabama." Of course, neither mentioned that Leigh Corfman, who was 14 at the time Moore allegedly touched her sexually, told the media she was a Republican who had voted for Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election.

 

 

SNL gets tough on Roy Moore, Fox News defends him

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/12/opinions/roy...llah/index.html

 

 

And none of this will come back to bite the GOP in 2018/2020 elections, of course...

Edited November 13, 2017 by caulfield12

[Brian]

The Moore election is next month, right?

And I'd be shocked if he didn't win.

 

Saw a lady that worked with him back in the day tweeted that everyone knew he went after teens, but I'm sure she is lying as well. /eyeroll

Jon Oliver off until February sucks.

[StrangeSox]

Looks like Virginia house is gonna be 50/50 with Democrats holding the tie breaker

 

Republicans had held a 66-34 majority

 

Whoops I guess there is no tie breaker, so it's just an even split

Edited November 14, 2017 by StrangeSox