2017 Democratic Thread

[Reddy]

He was there fighting that fight before it became politically expedient and popular.

 

He almost forced the lot of them to join the Medicare for All bandwagon. It’s hardly leadership for those who follow to parrot the same attacks from districts they would be hard-pressed to lose.

 

The big reason we’re in this mess in the first place is that Hillary had zero political conviction in any of her “tough call” positions and shifted with the winds...just like her husband. The difference is that his political instincts were second to none, with two rare exceptions (losing the governorship in 1980 and the 1994 Republican Revolution after leading with healthcare and gays in the military). In the end, she wasn’t likeable or trustworthy enough to deter enough from experimenting with a Trump presidency.

 

And look where we are now. In a position where, at best, the next two years will be spent undoing 2017 while the Chinese are running circles around us.

Bud. I'm not re-litigating any of this. Let's look forward and appreciate all of those who are fighting the good fight at the moment. K? Thanks.

[Kyyle23]

Gowdy, Benghazi panel settled wrongful firing suit with $150,000 in public funds

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/go...m=.87226aebb92b

 

Fired a guy for not going along with the Benghazi bs

 

I think Gowdy is a shameless huckster just like most people do, but I’m kind of conflicted about this. It makes it seem like Gowdy was his boss and told him to work on this project and the guy said no. Gowdy is his boss, I don’t understand why it is wrongful firing if the guy refuses to do the work assigned to him?

 

Am I misreading this?

[LittleHurt05]

Like I said in the other thread...I'm iffy here. If I spent 6 months finding people who were willing to lie about a Congressperson, and I got them to come forwards in sequence, do we just send away the congressperson with no time to evaluate their claims?

 

This is still America and there ought to be some level of due process available. I'm not sure how to make that work, but that's one of those things we do believe in as a country, a chance to have your case heard. A working ethics committee would be the right place to do that, but I'm not sure it works well enough or fast enough for that to actually count.

 

These people don't seem like they're lying and I have no reason to believe that in this case, but that's also the system we built in the Bill of Rights and I believe in the principles of that system too.

 

It's very admirable that you are so willing to let Roy Moore let his case be heard. Oh wait, that's not who you are talking about, I wonDeR why.

[caulfield12]

It's very admirable that you are so willing to let Roy Moore let his case be heard. Oh wait, that's not who you are talking about, I wonDeR why.

 

Has Moore ever asked for a public hearing and the opportunity to confront his accusers?

 

He won’t even admit he has met more than a couple of them...so how would the case be proven without any standard of guilt?

[Chicago White Sox]

FOX NEWS HOST TO @tedcruz: You cool working with alleged child molester Roy Moore if he's elected?

 

CRUZ: Sure, no problem, that's up to the voters.

 

FOX NEWS HOST: And what about alleged groper Al Franken?

 

CRUZ: Now that's a very serious problem. I'm extremely concerned.

Not that I agree with what he said, but could you actually take his comments out of context any further?

[Balta1701]

Please, has he even denied any of the claims?

As far as I know he only responded to the first of them, he did not confirm or deny the last ones.

[Balta1701]

Not that I agree with what he said, but could you actually take his comments out of context any further?

Please continue, governor.

[Chicago White Sox]

Please continue, governor.

Are you disagreeing with me that StrangeSox didn’t quite accurately depict what Cruz said?

[Balta1701]

Are you disagreeing with me that StrangeSox didn’t quite accurately depict what Cruz said?

I'm open to a different transcript if one exists. The video sure looked like he went from one statement defending Moore to one condemning Franken. You have more? Did I miss something?

[Chicago White Sox]

I'm open to a different transcript if one exists. The video sure looked like he went from one statement defending Moore to one condemning Franken. You have more? Did I miss something?

Except for the fact Cruz is defending the people’s right to vote for Moore since the accusations are public knowledge, but he’s also not defending the underlying actions he’s been accused of. Obviously he’s a scumbag and I don’t agree with his thought process whatsoever, but there is definitely more logic to his comments than StrangeSox led on. As for the Franken stuff, his focus was on the hypocrisy on Democrats looking the other way on Franken. Again, there is some underlying truth to what he’s saying even if his motive is 100% partisan bulls***. There is simply no reason to spin his comments, they’re bad enough as is.

Edited December 2, 2017 by Chicago White Sox

[caulfield12]

When Fox News’ Neil Cavuto asked Cruz Thursday if Moore should be thrown out of the Senate if elected, Cruz said “of course not,” adding, “We’ve got to respect the will of the voters.”

 

“If the voters of Alabama choose to elect him, for some Washington politicians to say, ‘We don’t care what the voters say,’ I think that would be a mistake,” Cruz said.

 

When Cavuto then asked Cruz about Franken, the Texas senator chuckled, calling the allegations “serious.”

 

“There’s a rich irony watching all the Democrats backpeddling and trying to justify now their colleague who you’ve got, I think the count is five women who allege groping,” Cruz said. “That’s a serious, serious problem, and I think it’s something that we’re going to see debated quite a bit more.”

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ted-cruz-defends...-162347932.html

The difference is not THAT significant...unless Cruz also is willing to allow the voters of Minnesota to decide Franken’s fate

Edited December 2, 2017 by caulfield12

[pettie4sox]

So is every damn Dem in Congress at the moment. Follow Chris Murphy, Ted Lieu, Kamala, etc. Ain't just Mr. Opportunist

 

You never miss an opportunity to trash on the leader of the next big dem movement.

 

Let it go man, bow down to master Bernie.

[pettie4sox]

Except for the fact Cruz is defending the people’s right to vote for Moore since the accusations are public knowledge, but he’s also not defending the underlying actions he’s been accused of. Obviously he’s a scumbag and I don’t agree with his thought process whatsoever, but there is definitely more logic to his comments than StrangeSox led on. As for the Franken stuff, his focus was on the hypocrisy on Democrats looking the other way on Franken. Again, there is some underlying truth to what he’s saying even if his motive is 100% partisan bulls***. There is simply no reason to spin his comments, they’re bad enough as is.

 

Man I can't help to think you're being disingenuous af right now.

[Chicago White Sox]

Man I can't help to think you're being disingenuous af right now.

I have no idea what the f*** you’re getting at here. Maybe you don’t know what the word “disingenuous” actually means.

[Quin]

I have no idea what the f*** you’re getting at here. Maybe you don’t know what the word “disingenuous” actually means.

 

I'm sure he does. Keep the intellect of posters out of this.

[Chicago White Sox]

I'm sure he does. Keep the intellect of posters out of this.

How is that a crack at his intellect? I have no idea how I could possibly have been disingenuous with my post, maybe if he actually provided some support I wouldn’t have had to ask the question. But whatever, apparently he can rip my character and I’m not allowed to fight back.

[pettie4sox]

I have no idea what the f*** you’re getting at here. Maybe you don’t know what the word “disingenuous” actually means.

 

Chill brah. You basically said you know Cruz's comments were 100% bulls*** yet you're going after SS for paraphrasing? To me that just screams you're trying to argue to argue, but whatever it's the buster. I don't know you personally so I won't get into the last part of your comment.

 

I did not mean disrespect by it, I personally was just trying to call out your shenanigans.

[pettie4sox]

Blatantly misquoting someone = okay. Questioning someone's misquoting of another = not okay.

 

Rabbit he has every right to do that. I'm not trying to take that away from.

[caulfield12]

It’s too late.

 

Where was CWS when Trump started using the moniker Lyin’ Ted Cruz in the first place?

 

The reality of the situation is that nobody likes Ted Cruz, even his own party. Smart guy, head of the Harvard Law Review, talented debater, he might be all of those things.

 

Fair and balanced instead of blatantly partisan? Impossible. Can’t change the narrative now with this guy. Even Cruz knows he’s coming across as hypocritical...hence, his chuckle before arguing Franken should be grilled over the coals.

[Balta1701]

It’s too late.

 

Where was CWS when Trump started using the moniker Lyin’ Ted Cruz in the first place?

 

The reality of the situation is that nobody likes Ted Cruz, even his own party. Smart guy, head of the Harvard Law Review, talented debater, he might be all of those things.

 

Fair and balanced instead of blatantly partisan? Impossible. Can’t change the narrative now with this guy. Even Cruz knows he’s coming across as hypocritical...hence, his chuckle before arguing Franken should be grilled over the coals.

Huh?

[caulfield12]

Huh?

 

It’s too late to protect Ted Cruz’ reputation from his being “deliberately misquoted” in this thread...everyone who follows politics knows what StrangeSox was doing.

 

It’s called satire/comedy. You almost don’t have to try, anymore.

 

The same thing happens everyday on the Right and we have to become aggrieved and fight back to address the mischaracterization and the whole cycle just goes around and around.

[pettie4sox]

My bad, I should have been more clear. I wasn't speaking in reference to you. Frankly, I didn't understand your initial comment towards CWS. CWS basically questioned why SS had to misquote and mischaracterize someone's words. You drummed it up to him arguing just to argue. I think it takes less work to just quotes someone rather than misquote them and conjure up an alternate reality, or "paraphrase" as someone put, to strike at a particular narrative.

 

CWS and I may not agree on everything back here but I appreciate that he feels the need to police the board from people using their own political beliefs to carve their own reality. If someone says something on the record, we don't have to put words in their mouth. We can just quote them and use their actual words for them instead of playing make believe to suit an agenda. It says a lot about CWS's integrity in politics that he's willing to defend Cruz, someone he says he doesn't agree with, when someone else is lying about Cruz's words.

 

SS has his reputation on the buster and that's all that I was going on. If anyone else makes that comment, I probably don't say s***.

 

Edit:Balta too lmao

Edited December 2, 2017 by KagakuOtoko

[StrangeSox]

Not that I agree with what he said, but could you actually take his comments out of context any further?

 

He defends the idea of working with Moore in the future and scoffs at the idea of expelling him from the Senate.

 

If that's his stance, he should have zero issue working with franken.

[Dick Allen]

The thing with Cruz is everyone knows if the people switched letters after their names he would feel the exact opposite.

Edited December 2, 2017 by Dick Allen

[Balta1701]

The thing with Cruz is everyone knows if the people switched letters after their names he would feel the exact opposite.

I feel quite confident that there are people reading this thread thinking the same thing about me. Pretty sure they just said so.