Sleepy Harold Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal now Sources: #WhiteSox engaged in daily trade discussions on Quintana. #Pirates, #Astros involved, possibly others. #Yankees appear longshot. Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal now Sources add: #WhiteSox firm on Quintana’s value; also could move him at deadline. NYY seem less willing than others to move top prospects. link Edited January 6, 2017 by bmags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Hey new info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 04:39 PM) Hey new info Yeah it's nice to have, even though it's kind of what we've known/speculated, nice to see Ken on the prowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Now that Rosenthal is tweeting, watch it happen tonight. Always believe the Twitterverse. Always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal now Sources: #WhiteSox engaged in daily trade discussions on Quintana. #Pirates, #Astros involved, possibly others. #Yankees appear longshot. Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal now Sources add: #WhiteSox firm on Quintana’s value; also could move him at deadline. NYY seem less willing than others to move top prospects. link Yankees are desperate to downplay their involvement that it wouldn't shock me if they are the most interested team. "We don't want Quintana noooo why would we? BTW what's Jason Hammel up to did I mention NO QUINTANA let me tell you about how much I want Jose Qui-I mean don't want. Nope nope nope" NOT BUYING IT, Cashman. Not buying it one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Sweet! Another Q thread to avoid until anything actually happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 05:45 PM) Sweet! Another Q thread to avoid until anything actually happens. By avoid, you mean post in, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 04:43 PM) Yankees are desperate to downplay their involvement that it wouldn't shock me if they are the most interested team. "We don't want Quintana noooo why would we? BTW what's Jason Hammel up to did I mention NO QUINTANA let me tell you about how much I want Jose Qui-I mean don't want. Nope nope nope" NOT BUYING IT, Cashman. Not buying it one bit. I agree with this. Irrational fan opinion: Cashman wants to drop the Torres hammer and not have to give up much beyond it. He does not want to drop the Torres hammer and add considerably more after in competing with another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 04:50 PM) I agree with this. Irrational fan opinion: Cashman wants to drop the Torres hammer and not have to give up much beyond it. He does not want to drop the Torres hammer and add considerably more after in competing with another team. Hahn is taking what amounts to less than a half season of Chapman for Jose Quintana. Obviously, that not how it works, but he'll want much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 04:43 PM) Yankees are desperate to downplay their involvement that it wouldn't shock me if they are the most interested team. "We don't want Quintana noooo why would we? BTW what's Jason Hammel up to did I mention NO QUINTANA let me tell you about how much I want Jose Qui-I mean don't want. Nope nope nope" NOT BUYING IT, Cashman. Not buying it one bit. Couldn't agree more. Yankees hold the trump card on almost all other teams if they are willing to include Torres or Frazier. Right now, they haven't been pushed to that limit yet since Pirates seem unwilling to include Meadows. Until they are forced to go there, they'll act like they are "longshots" for Q while all along keeping tabs on him. BTW long time reader, first time poster. The Q trade discussions have been so fun that I couldn't resist posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 04:52 PM) Hahn is taking what amounts to less than a half season of Chapman for Jose Quintana. Obviously, that not how it works, but he'll want much more. No, it isn't how it works. Torres was sold to yanks after a rough first half, he then recovered for a nice second half while being incredibly young, then tore up AFL. Has always had good discipline and then showed off the pop. Torres is a top 5 position prospect now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 04:57 PM) No, it isn't how it works. Torres was sold to yanks after a rough first half, he then recovered for a nice second half while being incredibly young, then tore up AFL. Has always had good discipline and then showed off the pop. Torres is a top 5 position prospect now. Still, if Hahn is asking for a deal similar to the Sale deal it'd look like Torres Rutherford Andujar Tate and that could be scaring Cashman off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (pablo @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 04:56 PM) Couldn't agree more. Yankees hold the trump card on almost all other teams if they are willing to include Torres or Frazier. Right now, they haven't been pushed to that limit yet since Pirates seem unwilling to include Meadows. Until they are forced to go there, they'll act like they are "longshots" for Q while all along keeping tabs on him. BTW long time reader, first time poster. The Q trade discussions have been so fun that I couldn't resist posting. Welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal now If #WhiteSox move Quintana, they likely will sign free-agent SP on one-year deal to help protect youngsters. Could always flip at deadline. common sense, but hey it's relative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (pablo @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 05:56 PM) Couldn't agree more. Yankees hold the trump card on almost all other teams if they are willing to include Torres or Frazier. Right now, they haven't been pushed to that limit yet since Pirates seem unwilling to include Meadows. Until they are forced to go there, they'll act like they are "longshots" for Q while all along keeping tabs on him. BTW long time reader, first time poster. The Q trade discussions have been so fun that I couldn't resist posting. Welcome. Agree, I think Yanks understand they have no shot w/out Torres or Frazier. They are the swoop in candidate a la Boston. I'm hoping instead we can package Frazier w Q to get Bregman, tucker, Paulino ++ from Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 06:03 PM) Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal now If #WhiteSox move Quintana, they likely will sign free-agent SP on one-year deal to help protect youngsters. Could always flip at deadline. common sense, but hey it's relative! Or pluck Dylan Covey in the rule 5 draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Hammel would make a ton of sense then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Hammel, Ross, De La Rosa. Several different options if the Sox go this route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 05:01 PM) Still, if Hahn is asking for a deal similar to the Sale deal it'd look like Torres Rutherford Andujar Tate and that could be scaring Cashman off. That is an ideal trade package but I'm guessing you are right and Cashman doesn't go there. I still love the Yankees as a trade partner because of the depth of their system. I think there could be a deal where Rutherford is the headliner along with very good second and third pieces, with flyers on a fourth and fifth piece based on scouting. Something like: Rutherford Sheffield/Kaprielian (maybe Acevedo) Andujar/Fowler Montgomery Sands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I agree with this. Irrational fan opinion: Cashman wants to drop the Torres hammer and not have to give up much beyond it. He does not want to drop the Torres hammer and add considerably more after in competing with another team. Torres, Mateo and somebody the teams mutually agree on that is at best a Spencer Adams-tier prospect (the Yankees have a million of those guys). I think that's as far as Cashman really wants to bend. That's my guess. Agreed about the "Torres hammer", that once Cashman "caves" and includes Torres that he does not want to include Rutherford, Frazier, Kapeielian or anyone he really, really likes in that system. I thought Severino would be a name the two could agree on to add but that tweet that the Sox are exploring FA options if Quintana leaves throws some cold water on that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Rosenthal had something on Ross just below the Q stuff. He's visiting the Rangers and is considering several other teams. But he may not be ready for opening day. I think that might be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 05:01 PM) Still, if Hahn is asking for a deal similar to the Sale deal it'd look like Torres Rutherford Andujar Tate and that could be scaring Cashman off. Well, that goes back to my point of in my head cashman is willing to use Torres in a deal, but when Torres is added wants it to be in a situation where he is offering a talent so much more coveted than what other teams are offered he does not need to offer as much on the backend. Compare that with if Cashman is bidding Torres vs a Meadows, well, then they need to be competitive on the backend. But if Torres is dropped in an offer, Hahn isn't goint to respond "uh he's only half of 1/2 season of chapman therefore goodbye" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 One of the contributors on the Garfien podcast yesterday sure seemed to think/know that the Hammel is interested in the Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 4, 2017 -> 05:27 PM) One of the contributors on the Garfien podcast yesterday sure seemed to think/know that the Hammel is interested in the Sox Yeah said he'd love to stay in Chicago. I think Hammel can find a two year deal though and I doubt we give it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Don't get lost in previous trades. By that logic Rookie Davis, Tony Renda, Eric Jagielo and Caleb Cotham are TWICE as valuable as Gleyber Torres and the group he came with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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