Sox holding talks "daily" on Q

[Quin]

Agreed just hate the idea of Newman being the 2nd best bat we get in return for three best trade chips

 

He's the #42 prospect in baseball. If he's the second best bat, that's not a bad place to be. Just for me if it's a 3-player deal, Meadows needs to headline.

 

But if you added Hayes or Diaz? Yeah, I'd take Glasnow/Bell/Newman/Hayez or Diaz for sure.

[Baron]

Yeah, they can.

 

Not without a mutiny. They took him out of high school and have a ton of hours developing him. It's not happening.

 

What they get in this offseason is the best it's going to get. So they have to evaluate if that's enough.

Edited January 10, 2017 by Baron

[Chicago White Sox]

We gonna get our rumbunter on again?

 

https://twitter.com/rumbunter/status/818638418213224449

Rumbunter is implying Meadows & Bell are off limits. They also think the package would be built around Glasnow & Newman. Under those conditions, I don't think there is a third player they could offer that would beat out a potential Astros deal headlined by Martes & Tucker with two other pieces. Keller is perhaps the one exception, but I'd rather get a couple offensive prospects from Houston like Reed, Fisher, Leareano, Stubbs, etc instead.

[fathom]

Cashman with some comments on Sox/Q

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/01/bria...p;post-id=82247

[Chicago White Sox]

Cashman with some comments on Sox/Q

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/01/bria...p;post-id=82247

Yankees aren't ready to take the plunge and I don't blame them. This is going to come down to Houston or Pittsburgh, which I think we already knew.

[NCsoxfan]

Rumbunter is implying Meadows & Bell are off limits. They also think the package would be built around Glasnow & Newman. Under those conditions, I don't think there is a third player they could offer that would beat out a potential Astros deal headlined by Martes & Tucker with two other pieces. Keller is perhaps the one exception, but I'd rather get a couple offensive prospects from Houston like Reed, Fisher, Leareano, Stubbs, etc instead.

 

If Pittsburgh is saying that then Hahn is saying GTFO.

[GGajewski18]

Jack Curry ‏@JackCurryYES 1h1 hour ago

On Yankees Hot Stove, Cashman said sticker price for Quintana is beyond what he'd pay. Hearing White Sox wanted at least 3 elite prospects

 

Jack Curry ‏@JackCurryYES 58m58 minutes ago

In Quintana talks, no doubt White Sox began by asking for Gleyber Torres and Clint Frazier. Again, Cashman said sticker price was too high.

 

Jack Curry ‏@JackCurryYES 55m55 minutes ago

While Cashman is still making calls on free agents to assess the market, he also said he's 99.9 percent sure the Yankees are set.

[fathom]

Based on rumored packages, I'm fine with Q being on the team until the deadline

[reiks12]

Well if its a standoff then Q wont be traded before SpringTraining

[steveno89]

Jack Curry ‏@JackCurryYES 1h1 hour ago

On Yankees Hot Stove, Cashman said sticker price for Quintana is beyond what he'd pay. Hearing White Sox wanted at least 3 elite prospects

 

Jack Curry ‏@JackCurryYES 58m58 minutes ago

In Quintana talks, no doubt White Sox began by asking for Gleyber Torres and Clint Frazier. Again, Cashman said sticker price was too high.

 

Jack Curry ‏@JackCurryYES 55m55 minutes ago

While Cashman is still making calls on free agents to assess the market, he also said he's 99.9 percent sure the Yankees are set.

 

I absolutely would ask for torres and frazier

 

I'd be willing to bet the current offers are: martes, tucker, paulino

 

Or

 

Glasnow, newman plus

 

Neither is close

 

[TheFutureIsNear]

Kyle Tucker, AJ Reed, Franklin Perez, and Jason Martin OR Tyler Glasnow, Josh Bell, Kevin Newman, and Yeudy Garcia?

 

Seems like this is the neighborhood everything is breaking down to? Not sure which 1 I prefer honestly. I've been pretty firmly in the "have to trade Q now" camp, but if something like these 2 offers are what is best available I might honestly lean towards gambling on Q and trading him at the deadline. Worst case scenario it will be another few months for our scouts to see some of these guys a little longer at a higher level than last year.

[bmags]

"Our rotation is set"

[peavy44]

If they want Meadows they wont get him. Pirates cant trade him.

 

 

No Quintana for them then

[steveno89]

Kyle Tucker, AJ Reed, Franklin Perez, and Jason Martin OR Tyler Glasnow, Josh Bell, Kevin Newman, and Yeudy Garcia?

 

Seems like this is the neighborhood everything is breaking down to? Not sure which 1 I prefer honestly. I've been pretty firmly in the "have to trade Q now" camp, but if something like these 2 offers are what is best available I might honestly lean towards gambling on Q and trading him at the deadline. Worst case scenario it will be another few months for our scouts to see some of these guys a little longer at a higher level than last year.

 

Houston isn't getting Quintana without giving up martes and Tucker. Reed and perez would be a great way to round out a deal.

 

That pirates offer is solid, although most would prefer diaz to Garcia

[Quin]

Jack Curry ‏@JackCurryYES 58m58 minutes ago

In Quintana talks, no doubt White Sox began by asking for Gleyber Torres and Clint Frazier. Again, Cashman said sticker price was too high.

 

Atta boy, Rick.

[Chicago White Sox]

Kyle Tucker, AJ Reed, Franklin Perez, and Jason Martin OR Tyler Glasnow, Josh Bell, Kevin Newman, and Yeudy Garcia?

 

Seems like this is the neighborhood everything is breaking down to? Not sure which 1 I prefer honestly. I've been pretty firmly in the "have to trade Q now" camp, but if something like these 2 offers are what is best available I might honestly lean towards gambling on Q and trading him at the deadline. Worst case scenario it will be another few months for our scouts to see some of these guys a little longer at a higher level than last year.

If you can get Glasnow, Bell, & Newman you take that deal immediately. Short of landing Meadows, you can't do better than that IMO.

 

Not feeling that Astros deal at all. Would want Martes over Perez and would need a better fourth piece than Martin.

[Chicago White Sox]

Dumb question, but why is Bell untouchable? The Pirates have a decent platoon option at 1B between Jaso & Freese. Don't get me wrong, Bell has a chance to be a special hitter and I'd hate to get rid him too if I was Huntington, but I think he's more than tradable. And 1B is one of the easiest/cheapest positions to fill at the moment. This isn't Benintendi or Bregman we're talking about here. Quite frankly, I think it's ridiculous to say he's off limits.

[iamshack]

If you can get Glasnow, Bell, & Newman you take that deal immediately. Short of landing Meadows, you can't do better than that IMO.

 

Not feeling that Astros deal at all. Would want Martes over Perez and would need a better fourth piece than Martin.

Glasnow/Keller/Newman/Hayes?

[Ozzie for Manager]

Every team would like to have a stud like Jose Quintana.

 

But which club will pay the price in prospects? https://t.co/9I6L3tZWjw #HotStove https://t.co/FeRffkHWgd

https://twitter.com/MLB/status/818632534552547328

 

Only thing i had an issue is with them calling Quintana a 2 or 3 starter. Hes a number 1 or 2 on most teams

Enjoyable article. This line made me laugh

 

Just for the record, eight of the 10 guys on this list are pitchers, which leads me to the following conclusion: Never, ever, under any circumstances, acquire a pitcher.

 

Which lends credence to stockpiling pitchers because so many dont pan out. But when you get a good young one it is gold.

[BlackSox13]

This is becoming very interesting. Luhnow has shown to be aggressive and being willing to make big trades and sign free agents to contend in '17, and then there's Huntington who literally has no history of making a big trade like this and his additions this year were Nova and Hudson. Yet Huntington is going to pull Meadows and Bell off the table and expect Luhnow not to trump the offer? Meadows and Bell being off the table plays into Luhnow's hands. Huntington is going to f*** this up which is what some Pirate fans have been fearing.

 

Question about Newman. The kid has mad contact skills but with skills like that I would have expected a higher BA than .288 at AA and more extra base hits too. Is Newman making alot of ground ball outs? I'm going to google it but the thought just popped up so I thought I would throw it out there while I was typing this post.

[Quin]

This is becoming very interesting. Luhnow has shown to be aggressive and being willing to make big trades and sign free agents to contend in '17, and then there's Huntington who literally has no history of making a big trade like this and his additions this year were Nova and Hudson. Yet Huntington is going to pull Meadows and Bell off the table and expect Luhnow not to trump the offer? Meadows and Bell being off the table plays into Luhnow's hands. Huntington is going to f*** this up which is what some Pirate fans have been fearing.

 

Question about Newman. The kid has mad contact skills but with skills like that I would have expected a higher BA than .288 at AA and more extra base hits too. Is Newman making alot of ground ball outs? I'm going to google it but the thought just popped up so I thought I would throw it out there while I was typing this post.

 

Newman has basically no power.

[pablo]

Glasnow/Keller/Newman/Hayes?

 

The thought of not getting one of Meadows or Bell would be frustrating for me. But it's a decent package. Since its come down to the Astros and Pirates, Sox need to get one of Meadows, Bell or Tucker in a deal. And not because of the "Sox have too much pitching argument" but because those are the three best players of all the prospects mentioned between Astros or pirates and one of them at least needs acquired in a Q deal.

[TheFutureIsNear]

If you can get Glasnow, Bell, & Newman you take that deal immediately. Short of landing Meadows, you can't do better than that IMO.

 

Not feeling that Astros deal at all. Would want Martes over Perez and would need a better fourth piece than Martin.

 

Ehh Bell and Newman are just unspectacular to me. Both have a very good hit tool, but I don't think you can discount the fact that they could be a 1B and 2B(don't see Newman overtaking Anderson at SS) that can't hit 30 hrs between them. I know not everyone needs to be a hr hitter, I just hesitate in taking a package that doesn't involve a position player with the potential to be a true impact player.

[iamshack]

The thought of not getting one of Meadows or Bell would be frustrating for me. But it's a decent package. Since its come down to the Astros and Pirates, Sox need to get one of Meadows, Bell or Tucker in a deal. And not because of the "Sox have too much pitching argument" but because those are the three best players of all the prospects mentioned between Astros or pirates and one of them at least needs acquired in a Q deal.

Yeah, I agree it has the feeling of settling, doesn't it?

 

While that may be the case, getting 4 of the Pirates top 6 prospects is alluring and I do feel like the potential is there to still really end up as a big winner in this deal.

 

I think if I was Hahn I would pass on any deal that doesn't include Meadows or Bregman, and wait til the deadline.

 

Odds are these same deals will still be there with the possibility for something better.

[Chicago White Sox]

Glasnow/Keller/Newman/Hayes?

Not that these are the end all be all and clearly they are a bit out of date, but here are Baseball America's mid-season rankings:

 

1. Moncada

4. Giolito

6. Glasnow

10. Meadows

38. Bell

48. Lopez

51. Newman

72. Hayes

93. Kopech* (top 30 to 40 now)

100 - 150: Basabe & Dunning

 

Anyways, the point of this exercise was to show how a proposed Glasnow, Bell, Newman return compares to those of the Sale & Eaton deals. And while Glasnow's stock has slipped a bit, I don't see much of an argument for him not being a top 20 prospect still. His value is comparable to Giolito's and I'd say Bell's is comparable to Lopez's. However, Newman is a far superior prospect to Dunning, which makes the overall return better than the Eaton deal. And honestly, it's probably not too far off from the Sale deal, although I think Moncada is such an elite prospect makes it a clear cut better return. I think asking for a fourth prospect, especially one like Hayes, is asking for too much. I'd feel pretty comfortable saying with Hayes included that's a better return than what we got for Sale and I don't see that happening.

 

Edit: Shack, ignore my post, thought you listed Bell instead of Keller. Might be a bit more realistic then, although BA now has Keller ranked 2nd ahead of both Bell & Glasnow. Would prefer more proven bats, but it would hard to pass up that much talent.

Edited January 10, 2017 by Chicago White Sox