Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Everyone seems to think that the Sox would benefit from him being in the upcoming J2 class but I'm not sure it matters. If he's in the class, the Sox could offer him $8.3 million (after trading for $3.5 million in space). Some small market teams could theoretically pay him $10 million though. I'm not sure it matters but those are the facts. If he's cleared prior to June 15th, it's all about $$. It's not like the big boys are involved though. San Diego, St. Louis, and Houston will be big players in this scenario. The White Sox really can't outbid those teams though if they want the guy? I know the Padres have spent $80 million internationally this year. Would they really pump that up to $120-$130 million to sign Robert? If Reinsdorf can't win a bidding war with those teams, we are probably doomed anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I don't think the class really matters. The Sox will be going all out for this guy. Not only does he add another potential impact positional player to the org to go with Anderson, Moncada, & Collins, he also represents a huge PR win for the rebuild. Unless a team like the Astros does something ridiculous (i.e. Moncada money), I fully expect us to land him regardless of class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 05:42 PM) Could you imagine Sox sign Robert, draft Beer in 2018 and trade Q for Meadows +......... I want to believe. If the sox are so lucky to have that happen and not crap out on developement like the cubs... DH - S - Bell C - L - Collins 1B - L - Beer 2B - S - Moncada SS - R - Anderson 3B - R - Machado - might as well live the in this dream LF - R - Robert CF - L - Meadows RF - S - Basabe bench UT - R - Saladino UT - L - Delmonico OF - S - May C - ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 09:39 PM) I want to believe. If the sox are so lucky to have that happen and not crap out on developement like the cubs... DH - S - Bell C - L - Collins 1B - L - Beer 2B - S - Moncada SS - R - Anderson 3B - R - Machado - might as well live the in this dream LF - R - Robert CF - L - Meadows RF - S - Basabe bench UT - R - Saladino UT - L - Delmonico OF - S - May C - ? If that happens, then all well need is a Chris Sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 08:48 PM) If that happens, then all well need is a Chris Sale dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 01:38 AM) Everyone seems to think that the Sox would benefit from him being in the upcoming J2 class but I'm not sure it matters. If he's in the class, the Sox could offer him $8.3 million (after trading for $3.5 million in space). Some small market teams could theoretically pay him $10 million though. I'm not sure it matters but those are the facts. If he's cleared prior to June 15th, it's all about $$. It's not like the big boys are involved though. San Diego, St. Louis, and Houston will be big players in this scenario. The White Sox really can't outbid those teams though if they want the guy? I know the Padres have spent $80 million internationally this year. Would they really pump that up to $120-$130 million to sign Robert? If Reinsdorf can't win a bidding war with those teams, we are probably doomed anyway. Great post, for some reason I fear the Cards the most for Robert. They have the resources and need prospects after losing their draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) http://redbirdrants.com/2017/02/27/st-loui...robert-scouted/ Cardinals definitely have to get him declared before the deadline or they're out of it...guess the NL talent evaluator (see quotes below) is referring to Otani (Japan)? The St. Louis Cardinals are not only interested in Cuban outfielder Luis Robert but have also been scouting him according to Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Goold states the team had a number of scouts and evaluators at Luis Robert’s workouts in the Dominican Republic. Last month it was reported Robert left Cuba in order to become a Major League Baseball player. MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez reported that he has become a resident of Haiti since leaving. They’ve also added non-pool players like Jose Adolis Garcia but they continue to explore the international markets heavily. .... MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez stated that a National League international scouting director believes Robert is the second best international talent in baseball. The reports on Robert state he is already a five-tool player that can crack an MLB roster soon. An American League scouting director told Sanchez that Robert is “the best player on the planet, and that’s no exaggeration.” http://redbirdrants.com/2017/02/27/st-loui...robert-scouted/ Edited March 31, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 08:28 PM) ... stated that a National League international scouting director believes Robert is the second best international talent in baseball. The reports on Robert state he is already a five-tool player that can crack an MLB roster soon. An American League scouting director told Sanchez that Robert is “the best player on the planet, and that’s no exaggeration.”[/i] http://redbirdrants.com/2017/02/27/st-loui...robert-scouted/ That's the most glowing review of a player I've seen. The best player on the planet? So he's better than Trout huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Yeah, and that's coming from a scouting director, as opposed to a local/area/regional scout or cross-checker. I'm guessing the hyperbole was meant to include only the known universe outside MLB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 07:38 PM) Everyone seems to think that the Sox would benefit from him being in the upcoming J2 class but I'm not sure it matters. If he's in the class, the Sox could offer him $8.3 million (after trading for $3.5 million in space). Some small market teams could theoretically pay him $10 million though. I'm not sure it matters but those are the facts. If he's cleared prior to June 15th, it's all about $$. It's not like the big boys are involved though. San Diego, St. Louis, and Houston will be big players in this scenario. The White Sox really can't outbid those teams though if they want the guy? I know the Padres have spent $80 million internationally this year. Would they really pump that up to $120-$130 million to sign Robert? If Reinsdorf can't win a bidding war with those teams, we are probably doomed anyway. 100% agree with all of this. The Sox should be able to win a bidding war here. All the teams in play have either been huge spenders or will likely need resources for their major league team. The Sox need elite positional talent and adding Robert is like getting a 1-1 draft pick. His addition would be a game changer for the rebuild. Suddenly, a positional core built around Robert, Anderson, Moncada, & Collins seems pretty legit. If you believe Robert can stick in CF, you're basically covered up the middle and only have to add corner guys in the coming years. And that isn't going to be insanely difficult between trades (Quintana, Jones, Robertson, Frazier), free agents (Donaldson, Machado, McCutchen, etc.), high draft picks in 2017 & 2018, & existing assets in the system (Basabe, Call, Fisher, Michelczewksi, Delmonico, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 07:38 PM) Everyone seems to think that the Sox would benefit from him being in the upcoming J2 class but I'm not sure it matters. If he's in the class, the Sox could offer him $8.3 million (after trading for $3.5 million in space). Some small market teams could theoretically pay him $10 million though. I'm not sure it matters but those are the facts. If he's cleared prior to June 15th, it's all about $$. It's not like the big boys are involved though. San Diego, St. Louis, and Houston will be big players in this scenario. The White Sox really can't outbid those teams though if they want the guy? I know the Padres have spent $80 million internationally this year. Would they really pump that up to $120-$130 million to sign Robert? If Reinsdorf can't win a bidding war with those teams, we are probably doomed anyway. My hope with next J2 class is Badlers note that most teams in that class that aren't penalized already have lots of commitments. The white Sox apparently don't. Even with Sox smaller pool that makes them more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 01:48 PM) Default Soxtalk plan b is always PANIC Plan A is PANIC QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 01:52 PM) I thought it was murderous rage? This is the correct Plan B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 08:39 PM) I want to believe. If the sox are so lucky to have that happen and not crap out on developement like the cubs... DH - S - Bell C - L - Collins 1B - L - Beer 2B - S - Moncada SS - R - Anderson 3B - R - Machado - might as well live the in this dream LF - R - Robert CF - L - Meadows RF - S - Basabe bench UT - R - Saladino UT - L - Delmonico OF - S - May C - ? Im going to stick with the Q to the Cards theme of the week. Kelly, Sierra, Perez C - Kelly 1B - Collins 2B - Moncada SS - Perez 3B - Anderson LF - Basabe CF - Sierra RF - Robert DH - Abreu SP - Rodon SP - Lopez SP - Kopech SP - Giolito SP - Fulmer Thats an elite defensive squad with some real offensive upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 So far I've only heard of two private work outs scheduled for him... one with us and one with the Astros, who have already exceeded their signing pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 11:48 AM) Im going to stick with the Q to the Cards theme of the week. Kelly, Sierra, Perez C - Kelly 1B - Collins 2B - Moncada SS - Perez 3B - Anderson LF - Basabe CF - Sierra RF - Robert DH - Abreu SP - Rodon SP - Lopez SP - Kopech SP - Giolito SP - Fulmer Thats an elite defensive squad with some real offensive upside. Delvin Perez is five years away from bring MLB ready. I don't see the Cardinals as good fit in a trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted April 3, 2017 Author Share Posted April 3, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Apr 3, 2017 -> 03:59 AM) Delvin Perez is five years away from bring MLB ready. I don't see the Cardinals as good fit in a trade At least this future lineup does not bank on the Sox signing Machado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Apr 3, 2017 -> 03:59 AM) Delvin Perez is five years away from bring MLB ready. I don't see the Cardinals as good fit in a trade That's okay. We're going for a steady stream of players. also, the Cards could probably use Robertson and Frazier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Apr 3, 2017 -> 03:59 AM) Delvin Perez is five years away from bring MLB ready. I don't see the Cardinals as good fit in a trade Perhaps, or maybe he is three years away. I think he could be the prospect equal to what Gleybar Torres is next year at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Apr 3, 2017 -> 03:59 AM) Delvin Perez is five years away from bring MLB ready. I don't see the Cardinals as good fit in a trade He would also be the best prospect in that proposal by far, and I like Kelly (Sierra is meh). It's just way too risky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Apr 2, 2017 -> 10:56 PM) So far I've only heard of two private work outs scheduled for him... one with us and one with the Astros, who have already exceeded their signing pool. Astro's sign him then trade him to the Sox for Quintana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Apr 3, 2017 -> 03:05 PM) Perhaps, or maybe he is three years away. I think he could be the prospect equal to what Gleybar Torres is next year at this time. My point is that Perez does not really fit into our timeline for a rebuild. Sox want to target much closer to the mlb players like: Giolito, Lopez, Moncada, Kopech, Dunning (who I think will move quickly through the minors), Burdi, etc. Basabe is the furthest away from the majors that we have acquired and he will likely start the season in high A ball. Figure a player needs at least a full season at each minor league stop prior to advancing, unless they are an anomaly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Apr 3, 2017 -> 08:15 PM) Astro's sign him then trade him to the Sox for Quintana. I was thinking maybe if the Astros got him, it would help the prospect blow of making a deal for Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Apr 4, 2017 -> 09:31 AM) I was thinking maybe if the Astros got him, it would help the prospect blow of making a deal for Q. Astros, Padres and Cardinals are said to be very much in the mix I really hope the Sox can find a way to land Robert, he's pretty much exactly what this farm system needs for our rebuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Apr 4, 2017 -> 09:29 AM) My point is that Perez does not really fit into our timeline for a rebuild. Sox want to target much closer to the mlb players like: Giolito, Lopez, Moncada, Kopech, Dunning (who I think will move quickly through the minors), Burdi, etc. Basabe is the furthest away from the majors that we have acquired and he will likely start the season in high A ball. Figure a player needs at least a full season at each minor league stop prior to advancing, unless they are an anomaly He would fit right along with Basabe, Collins (if he stays at C), and possibly Robert and this years #1 pick. Kelly would plug into the first wave of prospects. You don't want to put yourself in a situation like the Royals where you have a ton of guys hitting FA at the same time, it would be better for the long term health of the organization to stagger prospects out so that you have a constant source of talent to feed the ML team. Granted, I am probably higher on Perez than most. I loved him in the draft last year and think he is the kind of player that if you don't get now, he is going to be in that category of untouchables a year from now. He is still really young, was drafted at 17 a year ago and will be 18 all of this season and likely playing in the MWL. But for all the fascination that has been thrown around Maitan, this guy is light years closer the majors and while there is still risk it is nowhere near the level of acquiring someone like Maitan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 When is our private workout with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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