Meryl Streep; Keith Olbermann

[greg775]

Do you think Meryl Streep and Olbermann are out of line with their "speeches" recently about how bad Trump is? I don't see what they hope to accomplish.

You know, America elected the guy. Are the Streeps and Olbrermanns of the world upset beyond belief because she won the popular vote? I mean rules are rules. Trump won the election.

 

Why don't the public figures of the world merely say they are hoping for the best but like the De Niro character in the Focker movies, we'll be watching him closely. I mean if he commits an impeachable offense, get rid of him. If not, accept it.

[Soxbadger]

First amendment.

 

What separates America from your beloved Russia is that in America we are free to express our opinion. But we are now entering an era where the President of the United States is attempting to intimidate us into being quiet, much like his hero, Vladimir Putin.

 

When the opposition is silenced due to fear of reprisal, you get results like USSR, Nazi Germany. So irrespective of whether they are Democrat or Republican, I hope the opposition never loses its voice.

 

One of my favorite quotes of all times (which seems to be misattributed to Voltaire) is:

 

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

 

And so that is the weakness of Democracy/Republic. Those who truly believe in it, must fight for the rights of those who wish to destroy it.

[greg775]

First amendment.

 

What separates America from your beloved Russia is that in America we are free to express our opinion. But we are now entering an era where the President of the United States is attempting to intimidate us into being quiet, much like his hero, Vladimir Putin.

 

When the opposition is silenced due to fear of reprisal, you get results like USSR, Nazi Germany. So irrespective of whether they are Democrat or Republican, I hope the opposition never loses its voice.

 

One of my favorite quotes of all times (which seems to be misattributed to Voltaire) is:

 

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

 

And so that is the weakness of Democracy/Republic. Those who truly believe in it, must fight for the rights of those who wish to destroy it.

I never said they didn't have the right to say it. I wonder if a.) Streep did it at the wrong time. She'd just won an award for gosh sakes and b.) I don't understand much of what Olbermann is trying to accomplish. He did say he wanted no rebuttal or reaction, just people to hear him out.

It simply amazes me how Hillary gets no fallout over all this. She should have won the damn election if she's so much better than Trump. She's not even getting ripped for being unable to beat Donald Trump for gosh sakes. Say what you want about Bernie. I think he'd have won.

[greg775]

First amendment.

 

What separates America from your beloved Russia is that in America we are free to express our opinion. But we are now entering an era where the President of the United States is attempting to intimidate us into being quiet, much like his hero, Vladimir Putin.

 

When the opposition is silenced due to fear of reprisal, you get results like USSR, Nazi Germany. So irrespective of whether they are Democrat or Republican, I hope the opposition never loses its voice.

 

One of my favorite quotes of all times (which seems to be misattributed to Voltaire) is:

 

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

 

And so that is the weakness of Democracy/Republic. Those who truly believe in it, must fight for the rights of those who wish to destroy it.

That's pretty sad of you BTW to say what you did to me. My "beloved Russia?" That's pretty mean and cruel. I am not a Putin fan. I am not a Russia fan. You may hate me and my positions, but I never say things like you said there. I am an American, not a Russia supporter for gosh sakes.

[Quin]

I think the President-Elect is more out of line with his actions and responses to literally every piece of criticism.

[Soxbadger]

I never said they didn't have the right to say it. I wonder if a.) Streep did it at the wrong time. She'd just won an award for gosh sakes and b.) I don't understand much of what Olbermann is trying to accomplish. He did say he wanted no rebuttal or reaction, just people to hear him out.

It simply amazes me how Hillary gets no fallout over all this. She should have won the damn election if she's so much better than Trump. She's not even getting ripped for being unable to beat Donald Trump for gosh sakes. Say what you want about Bernie. I think he'd have won.

 

 

Its Streep's moment. She can do whatever she wants.

 

And I may not do it on this board, but Ive ripped Hillary apart plenty for choking against Trump. She read her own press clippings, went for a devastating victory, instead of just winning. But what is the point of ripping her? She lost, shes done.

 

Maybe Bernie would have won, who knows. But he couldnt beat Hillary, so its like saying "Maybe the Blue Jays could have beat the Cubs", it didnt matter, the Indians beat them.

 

 

That's pretty sad of you BTW to say what you did to me. My "beloved Russia?" That's pretty mean and cruel. I am not a Putin fan. I am not a Russia fan. You may hate me and my positions, but I never say things like you said there. I am an American, not a Russia supporter for gosh sakes.

 

You are right. It is mean and cruel. For the entire summer, I tried not to be mean/cruel. I pleaded with you, I tried to show people that Russia was actively trying to assist Trump to defeat Hillary. But certain people didnt care to listen, didnt care to even consider the idea that they were throwing our freedom away.

 

And now that you helped elect someone who is trying to silence critics, who shows absolutely no respect for the American people, you think Im going to be soft?

 

When you sit and watch something terrible happen, you let something terrible happen.

[caulfield12]

Somehow I have a feeling Tomi Lahren will be even more famous than Chelsea Clinton four years from now...

[greg775]

You are right. It is mean and cruel. For the entire summer, I tried not to be mean/cruel. I pleaded with you, I tried to show people that Russia was actively trying to assist Trump to defeat Hillary. But certain people didnt care to listen, didnt care to even consider the idea that they were throwing our freedom away.

 

And now that you helped elect someone who is trying to silence critics, who shows absolutely no respect for the American people, you think Im going to be soft?

 

When you sit and watch something terrible happen, you let something terrible happen.

Well, if you are right about Russia and Trump then you deserve credit for your observations being fact. If Trump did something illegal, by all means I hope he's impeached. U guys don't believe me, but I'm not a Trump fan. I'm a Hillary hater if that's the right word. He's a one percenter who I am assuming has stepped on the little guy A LOT to get where he is. That said if he hasn't done anything ilegal, he won and I hope somehow he turns around the economy.

Also, you said the thing about going soft. That still doesn't mean you can act like I'm a Russia supporter. What's that all about? Nobody is more of an America-supporter than me. What are u doing insulting me like that? It's uncalled for IMO.

 

You have to bring Hillary up in every post.

 

Here is a question, Greg.

 

Is it acceptable for Donald Trump, President Elect, to spend his time creating controversy over the Golden Globes? Meryl Streep is an actress, paid to give performances in film. Donald Trump is now an elected official sitting in the highest office in the world. You're worried about what Meryl Streep and Keith Olbermann are saying, why don't you worry about what Trump is saying, or more importantly, doing.

 

This has nothing to do with the election, anymore. Hillary, Bernie, Ted Cruz, whoever. This is about Donald Trump as the President of the United States.

Did Trump create controversy about the Golden Globes? I think he was responding to her throwing her little fit during her speech. Well yeah I'm upset at Streep and Olbermann whining, sure I am. Like I said, they backed a person whom America pretty much despises and made life difficult on Bernie who was trying to earn the nomination fair and square. As far as what Trump is saying, well, he's a rude guy. If he is a criminal, then impeach him and let's get on with it. If there's no proof of that, let him lead. And Hollywood needs to quit whining IMO.

Edited January 12, 2017 by greg775

[Chicago White Sox]

I'll give Greg credit, dude trolls 24/7 year after year. He may very well be the GOAT troll.

Edited January 12, 2017 by Chicago White Sox

[caulfield12]

What was the statistic, after FDR, and the Clinton/Reagan years....Obama's eight years have seen the most job growth/creation in the last 100 or so years?

 

There's no doubt the lower middle class has been hollowed out (even more), but to say Republicans weren't generally happy with the economy under Obama, or that their retirement/investments decreased, would be borderline nutty.

 

Now, of course there are those pockets of workers in Iowa, WI, MI, OH, PA...who aren't so happy, but that's just part of the process that started LONG AGO under Reagan/Bush and is finally winding down in terms of those manufacturing/industrialized blue collar or labor jobs being outsourced to other countries. Without globalization, those same families who voted for Trump would be paying 25-50% more for their I-phones and typical Wal-Mart purchases.

 

In turn, as those developing economies that are taking on the burden of manufacturing improve their economic efficiency, they end up becoming consumers for value-added products from the US, Europe, SE Asia, etc.

 

Theoretically.

Edited January 12, 2017 by caulfield12

[greg775]

I'll give Greg credit, dude trolls 24/7 year after year. He may very well be the GOAT troll.

What in my post made you deduce it was a troll post? What did I say that was not honest and to the point, answering his questions?

[Quin]

What in my post made you deduce it was a troll post? What did I say that was not honest and to the point, answering his questions?

 

Cause you keep pushing false narratives.

[Soxbadger]

Cause you keep pushing false narratives.

 

Or as Tony pointed up, he always brings it back to Hillary. He remarks about Streep's comments, I remark about the 1st amendment and how that means standing up for both sides of an argument. He responds "It simply amazes me how Hillary gets no fallout over all this."

 

Fallout over what? Chilling the first amendment, threatening the Press? In what world is that at any way related to Hillary f***ing Clinton. He cant even discuss a topic that is completely unrelated without somehow associating it back to her.

 

I at one time had belief in Greg, he seemed like a good guy that just had different point of view than me.

[greg775]

Or as Tony pointed up, he always brings it back to Hillary. He remarks about Streep's comments, I remark about the 1st amendment and how that means standing up for both sides of an argument. He responds "It simply amazes me how Hillary gets no fallout over all this."

 

Fallout over what? Chilling the first amendment, threatening the Press? In what world is that at any way related to Hillary f***ing Clinton. He cant even discuss a topic that is completely unrelated without somehow associating it back to her.

 

I at one time had belief in Greg, he seemed like a good guy that just had different point of view than me.

I said if you were right about Trump/Russia you deserved credit. I answered all your questions honestly. Why am I suddenly the bad guy here? I said in response to your first amendment point that I was not against her right to say what she said, but did Streep pick a poor time to say it? I think so. She coulda done it in post-awards interviews or on Ellen's show the next day. No big deal. If she wants to say it in an awards show fine, but I thought it was in poor taste. Of course she has the right to say it.

[Balta1701]

I said if you were right about Trump/Russia you deserved credit. I answered all your questions honestly. Why am I suddenly the bad guy here? I said in response to your first amendment point that I was not against her right to say what she said, but did Streep pick a poor time to say it? I think so. She coulda done it in post-awards interviews or on Ellen's show the next day. No big deal. If she wants to say it in an awards show fine, but I thought it was in poor taste. Of course she has the right to say it.

You're the bad guy because you looked at Donald Trump making fun of a pulitzer prize winning reporter over a physical disability and said "yeah but I think Hillary's mean too so I guess we have to put up with that". You're the bad guy because you looked at the kind of person that would make Meryl Streep give that commentary at an award show where she's getting a lifetime achievement award and respond "but Hillary's bad too and I'm glad I didn't vote for either and I have the right to tell her what to say when".

[greg775]

You're the bad guy because you looked at Donald Trump making fun of a pulitzer prize winning reporter over a physical disability and said "yeah but I think Hillary's mean too so I guess we have to put up with that". You're the bad guy because you looked at the kind of person that would make Meryl Streep give that commentary at an award show where she's getting a lifetime achievement award and respond "but Hillary's bad too and I'm glad I didn't vote for either and I have the right to tell her what to say when".

Oh well, I think you guys are wrong. I think some of you don't know what category to put voters like me who abstained as they could not vote for either candidate. In your mind I guess, you feel people like me had a responsibility to vote for Hillary as the lesser of two evils. Many Americans could not do that. For some reason you guys don't blame the DNC for giving us Hillary, you blame us for abstaining from voting for two one percenters who do not appear to be good people.

 

Let's say you simply despise ham sandwiches and sloppy joes equally. Somebody tries to give you one of the two to eat. You say "No I cannot eat either. I detest both. Both make me ill." I mean what Trump did to that reporter can be added to the list of reasons I didn't vote for him but it doesn't change the fact both candidates were bad. Now give me Bernie or Biden and we'll talk.

[Balta1701]

Oh well, I think you guys are wrong. I think some of you don't know what category to put voters like me who abstained as they could not vote for either candidate. In your mind I guess, you feel people like me had a responsibility to vote for Hillary as the lesser of two evils. Many Americans could not do that. For some reason you guys don't blame the DNC for giving us Hillary, you blame us for abstaining from voting for two one percenters who do not appear to be good people.

 

Let's say you simply despise ham sandwiches and sloppy joes equally. Somebody tries to give you one of the two to eat. You say "No I cannot eat either. I detest both. Both make me ill." I mean what Trump did to that reporter can be added to the list of reasons I didn't vote for him but it doesn't change the fact both candidates were bad. Now give me Bernie or Biden and we'll talk.

Here's the problem. You weren't just turning down that sandwich for you. You were also turning it down on behalf of millions of other people who were desperate for them.

 

You have helped take health care away from people I care about. You may have helped kill people I care about. You didn't just turn down the sandwich, you lit a whole bunch of other sandwiches on fire and now you're confused why starving people are unhappy about it.

 

You asked a while ago what the definition of privilege was? You're not scared right now. When you throw your hands up and say "not my fault", you better darn well be ok with people who are terrified for their friends pointing at you. That's privilege. You're a white male, presumably with stable health care situation. You don't have to fear a loved one writhing in agony on the floor of your living room because health insurers will turn them down. Or you don't have to fear being deported, or put on a list for your religion, or any of the other things he specifically said he would do.

[Quin]

To go with the sandwich analogy it's more along the lines of you are being told you have to decide which fast food chain you'll eat all of your meals at for the next for years.

 

Hillary is like Subway - it's gonna be reliable and won't be bad for you depending on some circumstances.

Trump is like saying "f*** fast food chains! I'm going to get all of my meals at Blockbuster! They have popcorn!"

[Soxbadger]

To go with the sandwich analogy it's more along the lines of you are being told you have to decide which fast food chain you'll eat all of your meals at for the next for years.

 

Hillary is like Subway - it's gonna be reliable and won't be bad for you depending on some circumstances.

Trump is like saying "f*** fast food chains! I'm going to get all of my meals at Blockbuster! They have popcorn!"

 

 

But Jared Fogle.

[LittleHurt05]

Here's the problem. You weren't just turning down that sandwich for you. You were also turning it down on behalf of millions of other people who were desperate for them.

 

You have helped take health care away from people I care about. You may have helped kill people I care about. You didn't just turn down the sandwich, you lit a whole bunch of other sandwiches on fire and now you're confused why starving people are unhappy about it.

 

You asked a while ago what the definition of privilege was? You're not scared right now. When you throw your hands up and say "not my fault", you better darn well be ok with people who are terrified for their friends pointing at you. That's privilege. You're a white male, presumably with stable health care situation. You don't have to fear a loved one writhing in agony on the floor of your living room because health insurers will turn them down. Or you don't have to fear being deported, or put on a list for your religion, or any of the other things he specifically said he would do.

 

And you took away top health coverage from my family and millions of others. Your vote for Obama caused insurance companies to tell millions and millions to go f*** themselves in regards to hospital and doctor choices, we are barely even covered anymore. Your votes are responsible for putting my family's health at risk.

[Soxbadger]

And you took away top health coverage from my family and millions of others. Your vote for Obama caused insurance companies to tell millions and millions to go f*** themselves in regards to hospital and doctor choices, we are barely even covered anymore. Your votes are responsible for putting my family's health at risk.

 

Actually had Republican's worked with Obama they could have made sure that your insurance company couldnt have done that to you. But Republican's chose not to assist in the crafting of the bill to protect American's like you, so instead we were put in the inevitable position of 1) voting so that EVERYONE gets coverage but some wouldnt get as good of coverage or 2) voting so that not everyone got coverage, but those who did got to keep their plan.

 

I do agree, it is a complete atrocity that the Republican party did not want to help, which made the above choice a reality.

 

That being said, I do believe there are certain people who believe healthcare is a right not a privilege. I just believe that every American should be entitled to some minimum care, and I believe that it is economically beneficially because hospitals/healthcare providers have less bills that are "written off" because the person who owes the money has no conceivable way of paying.

[illinilaw08]

And you took away top health coverage from my family and millions of others. Your vote for Obama caused insurance companies to tell millions and millions to go f*** themselves in regards to hospital and doctor choices, we are barely even covered anymore. Your votes are responsible for putting my family's health at risk.

 

Could you flesh that out? What do you mean by "barely even covered anymore?" The ACA requires health care plans to provide a threshold level of care that previously didn't exist. Is it just higher deductible? Higher premium? Doctors not accepting the exchange policies?

[Kyyle23]

I said if you were right about Trump/Russia you deserved credit. I answered all your questions honestly. Why am I suddenly the bad guy here? I said in response to your first amendment point that I was not against her right to say what she said, but did Streep pick a poor time to say it? I think so. She coulda done it in post-awards interviews or on Ellen's show the next day. No big deal. If she wants to say it in an awards show fine, but I thought it was in poor taste. Of course she has the right to say it.

 

 

Of course of course. You can protest, you just cant do it here. You can protest, but you just cant do it now. When? Some other time, not really sure when, just now Its not appropriate because i dont like it

[greg775]

Let's hope the new health care plan is good. I don't want people to suffer obviously.

As far as the election and not voting for either ... we agree to disagree only because you guys think Hillary was an OK choice considering the opponent was Trump. I, meanwhile, think both were equally bad. I can't change your minds on Hillary's horribleness so go ahead and think I'm an uncaring beast when I merely consider Hillary also unfit to lead hence the no vote.

 

The new healthcare plan might be OK. You never know.

[Soxbadger]

Let's hope the new health care plan is good. I don't want people to suffer obviously.

As far as the election and not voting for either ... we agree to disagree only because you guys think Hillary was an OK choice considering the opponent was Trump. I, meanwhile, think both were equally bad. I can't change your minds on Hillary's horribleness so go ahead and think I'm an uncaring beast when I merely consider Hillary also unfit to lead hence the no vote.

 

The new healthcare plan might be OK. You never know.

 

As Obama said, if they come up with a better plan, Ill be the first one to support it.

 

But as of today, they are "repealing" Obamacare and have "no" plan. Basically we are going with what is behind mystery door number 3 and hoping its not the donkey.