Thomas_Ventura_Roberts Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I was glad to see that the White Sox are not planning a typical re-build. To quote Nick Hostetler on their website: "I'm not anticipating this to be a 62- or 63-win team," said White Sox director of amateur scouting Nick Hostetler, referring to the 2017 season. "Right now, the way that the team is constructed, we are going to compete in games, battle." It is not inconceivable that Giolito, Lopez, or Fulmer might join Rodon, Gonzalez, Shields, and Holland in the White Sox rotation early in 2017 with Birdi being added to the bullpen. That would presume that Quintana and Robertson were already moved in trades. In fact, I can imagine the White Sox wanting to make room for all three of them by mid-season. One would need to keep fingers crossed that Shields and Holland had bounce back seasons like Gonzalez did last year. Even presuming that Quintana and Robertson were already traded and the veterans had their bounce back seasons, how would the White Sox swing it if they felt Giolito, Lopez,and Fulmer were all ready to be in the rotation by July? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (ventura_abreu @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 06:07 PM) I was glad to see that the White Sox are not planning a typical re-build. To quote Nick Hostetler on their website: "I'm not anticipating this to be a 62- or 63-win team," said White Sox director of amateur scouting Nick Hostetler, referring to the 2017 season. "Right now, the way that the team is constructed, we are going to compete in games, battle." It is not inconceivable that Giolito, Lopez, or Fulmer might join Rodon, Gonzalez, Shields, and Holland in the White Sox rotation early in 2017 with Birdi being added to the bullpen. That would presume that Quintana and Robertson were already moved in trades. In fact, I can imagine the White Sox wanting to make room for all three of them by mid-season. One would need to keep fingers crossed that Shields and Holland had bounce back seasons like Gonzalez did last year. Even presuming that Quintana and Robertson were already traded and the veterans had their bounce back seasons, how would the White Sox swing it if they felt Giolito, Lopez,and Fulmer were all ready to be in the rotation by July? No White Sox spokesperson of any time is going to commit to a 63 win season, but the comments Hostetler made are those of a team set up to lose. He used the words "compete in games", not "win games". Expect this rebuild to be real, but don't expect a lot of rebuild talk from anyone not named Rick Hahn. Edited January 19, 2017 by Sox-35th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Of course they aren't going to tell fans that. They still want to sell tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 06:39 PM) Of course they aren't going to tell fans that. They still want to sell tickets. That is a much more succinct answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 If they trade Quintana and Frazier they could beat Detroit's loss mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Somewhat related to this thread, but when do you guys expect Burdi to be in Chicago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:24 PM) Somewhat related to this thread, but when do you guys expect Burdi to be in Chicago? Sometime in June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soha Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Quintana wouldn't be getting shopped if this wasn't a total rebuild. As said above, they can't admit they're trying to lose 105 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (Soha @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:30 PM) Quintana wouldn't be getting shopped if this wasn't a total rebuild. As said above, they can't admit they're trying to lose 105 games. Officials with clubs have to be careful when it comes to admitting tanking. It implies an uneven playing field, which baseball doesn't like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (Soha @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:30 PM) Quintana wouldn't be getting shopped if this wasn't a total rebuild. As said above, they can't admit they're trying to lose 105 games. With or without Q, I still think this team will win 70+ games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:29 PM) Sometime in June. You think it'll be that quick? I know they'll wait a bit to get the extra year of control, but he was drafted just a little while ago. I'm interested in knowing his ETA because of my fantasy league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (Donaldo @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:45 PM) With or without Q, I still think this team will win 70+ games. Well, the 2013 team won 63, so anything is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:24 PM) Somewhat related to this thread, but when do you guys expect Burdi to be in Chicago? 2019. I think they make him a starter. No reason not to try now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 If they want to "retool" not rebuild then F them. But yea, this is a PR answer based on the state of the franchise. We will know by the end of the off season how competitive we will be next season. Still expect a couple more vets to be traded, in which case would make it hard for us not to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 08:42 PM) 2019. I think they make him a starter. No reason not to try now. If they were going to try and convert him to a starter I think it would have been announced by now. But I could be wrong, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Expecting them to lose a lot, but I still can't pull for a team to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 09:17 PM) Expecting them to lose a lot, but I still can't pull for a team to do that. Think of it this way: Every game I watch (which is a lot), I want them to win and will pull for them to win, knowing full well that they won't win a lot of them and in the long term that's the right thing to do for the betterment of the franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:55 PM) You think it'll be that quick? I know they'll wait a bit to get the extra year of control, but he was drafted just a little while ago. I'm interested in knowing his ETA because of my fantasy league I mean there was serious talk of him being called up at the end of last year. Unless the bullpen is firing on all cylinders, I think he'll be up as soon as we get the extra year of control on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 This makes sense. The way the team is a month before spring training we have TOO many veterans to be in a rebuild. Our infield is amazing. Our outfield is pathetic. Our catching is pathetic. Our DH is pathetic. Our pitching however is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 06:52 PM) If they trade Quintana and Frazier they could beat Detroit's loss mark. No way. On top of those two, they'd have to trade Lawrie, Jones, Cabrera, Abreu, Rodon, and Gonzalez, and they'd still probably lose only 110 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 12:29 PM) No way. On top of those two, they'd have to trade Lawrie, Jones, Cabrera, Abreu, Rodon, and Gonzalez, and they'd still probably lose only 110 games. Not to mention Ventura is no longer the manager. That is worth at least 10 wins there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:24 PM) Somewhat related to this thread, but when do you guys expect Burdi to be in Chicago? With them taking a step back from competing, it is entirely plausible that they start him in A ball this year as a starter and see if they can make it work. He would move quickly as a RP, but with really no need for him at the ML level this season, they could really take their time and give him a shot. It is entirely possible that after a year they decide it just isn't going to work, but it will give him a chance to build some endurance as well as secondary pitches that could make him into a RP in the mold of Andrew Miller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) NM Edited January 19, 2017 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 11:30 PM) This makes sense. The way the team is a month before spring training we have TOO many veterans to be in a rebuild. Our infield is amazing. Our outfield is pathetic. Our catching is pathetic. Our DH is pathetic. Our pitching however is good. Frazier/Davidson, Anderson, Saladino/Lawrie, Abreu is amazing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 08:58 PM) If they were going to try and convert him to a starter I think it would have been announced by now. But I could be wrong, of course. That will probably come out in spring training, perhaps at Sox Fest at the earliest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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