President Donald Trump: The Thread

[Soxbadger]

This policy isn't even that smart. This is more like denying ALL Germans admission so that we can keep the Jews out. The explicit and stated target here IS Muslims. The administration has flat out stated this on many occasions, and this policy is consistent with their statements.

 

I agree, but I wanted to take it 1 step further. That even if the intention was to ban immigration from a certain country, and it wasnt a thinly veiled attempt at a religious ban, I would not agree with it.

 

To use Jenks example, if Iran- US went to war, I would not agree with banning all Iranians. I dont like to paint with that broad of a brush, and its ironic/sad that certain Republican's now feel that this okay.

 

Arent they the ones who tell me that we shouldnt ban guns because not all gun owners are criminals? So why should we ban all Iranians/Germans/whatever, if not all of them are terrorists/criminals/etc?

 

[bmags]

The president has a huge authority to dictate immigration which is why its so amazing they could mess this up so much. Reality is had they not suprise enforced it and left families stuck in airports a lot of this would just be "this is bad!" but less of a backlash. He has this authority.

 

But I have to question the constitutionality of this. Regardless of whether the religious requirements are placed on non-citizens, a law stating religious preference for entrance into US seems to inherently conflict with 1A to me. You can't say that no law can be made infringing upon freedom of religion and then make a law infringing on it.

[Jenksismyhero]

The president has a huge authority to dictate immigration which is why its so amazing they could mess this up so much. Reality is had they not suprise enforced it and left families stuck in airports a lot of this would just be "this is bad!" but less of a backlash. He has this authority.

 

But I have to question the constitutionality of this. Regardless of whether the religious requirements are placed on non-citizens, a law stating religious preference for entrance into US seems to inherently conflict with 1A to me. You can't say that no law can be made infringing upon freedom of religion and then make a law infringing on it.

 

Sure you can, so long as it passes strict scrutiny. Not all constitutional rights/rules are absolute.

[Soxbadger]

Sure you can, so long as it passes strict scrutiny. Not all constitutional rights/rules are absolute.

 

I dont believe any rights are absolute.

 

That being said, I also dont believe that this will pass strict scrutiny and I am not even sure that this would even be the appropriate standard as strict scrutiny applies to legislature, not executive orders.

 

What is interesting is that the Republican's may have inadvertently sunk Trump a year ago in a different case:

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archiv...gration/415077/

 

The Obama administration argues that the changes are well within the executive branch’s discretionary power to enforce existing immigration law. But conservative opponents counter that the executive actions are an unconstitutional usurpation of Congress’s power to write American laws.

 

 

 

[southsider2k5]

I agree, but I wanted to take it 1 step further. That even if the intention was to ban immigration from a certain country, and it wasnt a thinly veiled attempt at a religious ban, I would not agree with it.

 

To use Jenks example, if Iran- US went to war, I would not agree with banning all Iranians. I dont like to paint with that broad of a brush, and its ironic/sad that certain Republican's now feel that this okay.

 

Arent they the ones who tell me that we shouldnt ban guns because not all gun owners are criminals? So why should we ban all Iranians/Germans/whatever, if not all of them are terrorists/criminals/etc?

 

I think you could at least start to consider it if you had a constitutional action of declaring war against a nation or nations. But we have nothing of the sort here.

[bmags]

Sure you can, so long as it passes strict scrutiny. Not all constitutional rights/rules are absolute.

 

None are absolute, but freedom of religion would be closest. I can't imagine a policy that is meaningfully discriminatory (i.e. actually would achieve it's purpose) and would pass being constitutional.

 

He could increase the amount of refugees from countries with persecuted christians, which would increase amount of christians admitted and that would be fine, but it would also let a large number of non-christians who are refugees in as well. Not very discriminatory, technically would show a religious preference, and would be legally defensible.

 

But to combine targeted countries and establish rules to discriminate against specific religions would begin establishing a national policy on religion, even if not "discriminating" explicitly against citizens. I would be surprised if standing could not be established as proving injury from a policy likes this seems plausible.

 

Again, it's remarkable that given the ample room given to set immigration policy he managed to craft policy that blew up like this.

 

That said, maybe I'm wrong. The challenges to the law to date have seemed to rest exclusively on the fact that Trump calls in a ban.

[southsider2k5]

Sure you can, so long as it passes strict scrutiny. Not all constitutional rights/rules are absolute.

 

I don't even see this as being a shade of gray here. It is flat out a ban on Muslims according to the President.

[caulfield12]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/08/politics/don...elay/index.html

Now Trump is giving excuse he argued for one month delay on immigration ban but was overruled (haha) by his own government

 

 

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/08/news/compa...anka/index.html

 

Here we go...using official POTUS account to go after Nordstrom about selling Ivanka's fashion/jewelry line.

Edited February 8, 2017 by caulfield12

[Kyyle23]

Three times this week Sean Spicer has referenced a terrorist attack in Atlanta by a foreigner. The last terrorist attack in Atlanta was the Olympic bombing, done by a radicalized right wing white man from Florida. What. The. f***.

[caulfield12]

Three times this week Sean Spicer has referenced a terrorist attack in Atlanta by a foreigner. The last terrorist attack in Atlanta was the Olympic bombing, done by a radicalized right wing white man from Florida. What. The. f***.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/08/politics/spi...trnd/index.html

 

Maybe going back to 1933-1937 isn't such a stretch after all.

 

After Bowling Green, now this? Spicer has to be on his final legs. How could they turn around and commit the same mistake days later...particularly when Atlanta turned out to homegrown terrorism (also blamed foreigners in the beginning)?

[BigSqwert]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/08/news/compa...anka/index.html

 

Here we go...using official POTUS account to go after Nordstrom about selling Ivanka's fashion/jewelry line.

 

What a petty and pathetic man. I'd laugh if this wasn't so depressing.

[caulfield12]

If Manchin hadn't crossed lines, it would have been 51-48.

 

At least Sessions was spared the embarrassment of having to vote for himself or have Pence bail him out.

 

Longest continuous Senate session now since 1960 and counting with Price and Mnuchin through Saturday. Pudzer is really going to get hammered. The whole thing with Warren and McConnell over the King letter has really breathed life back into the resistance.

 

 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1864822...-trump-comments

We're now to the point every CEO has to choose sides. The Stephen Curry/Under Armour "misunderstanding" surely won't be the last. Now Trump can go after an MVP for calling him an "ass" instead of an asset. Then the Warriors can refuse to go to the White House, etc.

Edited February 9, 2017 by caulfield12

[Big Hurtin]

Three times this week Sean Spicer has referenced a terrorist attack in Atlanta by a foreigner. The last terrorist attack in Atlanta was the Olympic bombing, done by a radicalized right wing white man from Florida. What. The. f***.

Well, Florida does sometimes seem like another country, planet even.

[Kyyle23]

Well, Florida does sometimes seem like another country, planet even.

 

Ha, true enough

[caulfield12]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/08/politics/joh...emen/index.html

 

Well, we're now to the point where Spicer believes he can demand apologies from any senator from his own party who dares to question the "success" of US military operations.

 

 

 

 

"It's absolutely a success, and I think anyone who would suggest it's not a success does disservice to the life of Chief Ryan Owens," said Spicer, citing intelligence obtained in the operation.

 

Spicer's comments are a shift in his analysis of last month's operation. Last week, he hesitated to call the raid "a success 100% when someone is hurt or killed, and that was the case here."

 

Before Spicer's briefing, McCain criticized the raid, citing the loss of life.

 

"While many of the objectives of the recent raid in Yemen were met, I would not describe any operation that results in the loss of American life as a success," he said in a statement.

 

Asked about McCain's comments at the briefing, Spicer said he had a "message" for anybody who said the mission was not a success, though he did not mention McCain by name.

 

"I think anybody who undermines the success of that raid owes an apology ... to the life of Chief Owens," Spicer said.

 

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/misreading-the-t...-100036877.html

Misreading the Trump Mandate

 

 

I’ve been in this town for 26 years. I have never seen anything like this,” said Eliot Cohen, a senior State Department official under President George W. Bush and a member of his National Security Council. “I genuinely do not think this is a mentally healthy president.”

 

There is the matter of Trump’s briefing materials, for example. The commander in chief doesn’t like to read long memos, a White House aide who asked to remain unnamed told The Huffington Post. So preferably they must be no more than a single page. They must have bullet points but not more than nine per page. Small things can provide him great joy or generate intense irritation. Trump told The New York Times that he’s fascinated with the phone system inside the White House. At the same time, he’s registered a complaint about the hand towels aboard Air Force One, the White House aide said, because they are not soft enough.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-...4b04061313a1fbb

Edited February 9, 2017 by caulfield12

[Quin]

Three times this week Sean Spicer has referenced a terrorist attack in Atlanta by a foreigner. The last terrorist attack in Atlanta was the Olympic bombing, done by a radicalized right wing white man from Florida. What. The. f***.

 

Well, he clearly meant Orlando.

[caulfield12]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/09/news/kelly...rand/index.html

 

Can't imagine how Conway thinks deliberately promoting Ivanka's products is appropriate...

Where did the Office of Government Ethics disappear to again?

 

On the plus side, he wants to replace Sean Spicer with Kimberley Guilfoyle, a former lingerie model and Fox host.

Wait, what? For 65% of the country, maybe not the best instincts there.

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/09/opinions/whi...rgen/index.html

White House terrorism list undermines its own case for travel ban

Edited February 9, 2017 by caulfield12

[brett05]

I don't even see this as being a shade of gray here. It is flat out a ban on Muslims according to the President.

Except it's not a ban on Muslims. There is no Muslim Ban, just a way to partisan by liberals.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Except it's not a ban on Muslims. There is no Muslim Ban, just a way to partisan by liberals.

 

 

Do you have twitter, Brett? The President has stated numerous times that it's a ban. It's not Democrats making s*** up.

[southsider2k5]

Except it's not a ban on Muslims. There is no Muslim Ban, just a way to partisan by liberals.

 

The President of the United States of America doesn't agree with you.

[StrangeSox]

The President, his surrogate and his press secretary have all publicly denounced Nordstrom's dropping his daughter's made-in-China clothing line from their stores.

 

This is full-blown banana republic territory now.

 

e: nice stealth accusation of calling ss2k5 a liberal again

Edited February 9, 2017 by StrangeSox

[Dick Allen]

Didn't Ivanka resign from her company?

 

Why the outrage if she is no longer there?

 

Hmm.

 

The failing Ivanka Trump line is dying a slow death. Sad. She has no one to blame but dear old dad.

Edited February 9, 2017 by Dick Allen

[Iwritecode]

Department of Defense looks to rent space in Trump Tower

 

How is this legal?

 

The Department of Defense is seeking to rent space in President Trump’s New York skyscraper, Trump Tower, a move that could directly funnel government money into the president’s business interests.

Edited February 9, 2017 by Iwritecode

[Kyyle23]

Department of Defense looks to rent space in Trump Tower

 

How is this legal?

 

Until someone steps up and challenges everything they are doing that is either blatantly illegal or toeing the line, they will continue to do these things. They obviously don't give a f***

[caulfield12]

Didn't Ivanka resign from her company?

 

Why the outrage if she is no longer there?

 

Hmm.

 

The failing Ivanka Trump line is dying a slow death. Sad. She has no one to blame but dear old dad.

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-vs-nor...-050216950.html

Because she still retains ownership, and therefore benefits from the WH publicity campaign.

 

Kathleen Clark, a government ethics expert, said the Nordstrom tweet is problematic because other retailers may think twice now about dropping the Ivanka Trump brand for fear of getting criticized publicly by the president. She said it was especially disturbing that Trump retweeted his message on the official White House account.

 

"The implicit threat was that he will use whatever authority he has to retaliate against Nordstrom, or anyone who crosses his interest," said Clark, a law professor at Washington University in St. Louis.

 

And the reality is the sales of her products are skyrocketing here in China and many other countries (whereas US sales are flat or declining)...largely because of the increased visibility of her family (including her daughter's ability to speak and sing in Mandarin.)

Edited February 9, 2017 by caulfield12