President Donald Trump: The Thread

[bmags]

There was a state-by-state gallup poll a couple of weeks ago that found he still has majority support in enough states to win an EC victory. His support is eroding among moderates and people who wanted to give him a chance located mainly in non-red states.

 

Couple of weeks ago. Trend has been down 4% since then. I'd imagine it was plurality support even in that poll. People are still living 2016 for that stuff, and the question is whether that group that surged to actually go to the polls if they'll actually care enough. His "very" supportive group continues to slide.

[StrangeSox]

Couple of weeks ago. Trend has been down 4% since then. I'd imagine it was plurality support even in that poll. People are still living 2016 for that stuff, and the question is whether that group that surged to actually go to the polls if they'll actually care enough. His "very" supportive group continues to slide.

 

Sure, and it's only 6 months in to his Presidency, and it wasn't even a hypothetical matchup poll. Just a little disheartening reminder of how lumpy our elections really can be.

[illinilaw08]

62,984,825 Nazis, all of them. Even the African American and Jewish voters who voted Trump, Nazis.

 

Statements like this seem to attempt to minimize the impact that Trump's anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim rhetoric had in driving his support. No, there aren't 62M racists that voted for Trump, but there also aren't just 10,000 racists in the country (which was an argument made on Saturday in this thread). Ignoring the fact that Trump's early success in the primaries was built on his inflammatory rhetoric toward whole stretches of people is dangerous, IMO. Ignoring the fact that Trump remains popular amongst his Republican base - to the extent that 52% of Republican voters in a recent poll said they would be in favor of postponing the 2020 election if President Trump said so - is dangerous.

 

 

[Dick Allen]

Sure, and it's only 6 months in to his Presidency, and it wasn't even a hypothetical matchup poll. Just a little disheartening reminder of how lumpy our elections really can be.

I don't think he has added any states to the win column. Next election will probably all come down to the same swing states in this last election. A couple of those go the other way, and he could get blown out. If they can't swing any of those back with all the material he gives them, that will be on the Dems.

[StrangeSox]

Statements like this seem to attempt to minimize the impact that Trump's anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim rhetoric had in driving his support. No, there aren't 62M racists that voted for Trump, but there also aren't just 10,000 racists in the country (which was an argument made on Saturday in this thread). Ignoring the fact that Trump's early success in the primaries was built on his inflammatory rhetoric toward whole stretches of people is dangerous, IMO. Ignoring the fact that Trump remains popular amongst his Republican base - to the extent that 52% of Republican voters in a recent poll said they would be in favor of postponing the 2020 election if President Trump said so - is dangerous.

 

And close to 70% said they believed millions of undocumented immigrants voted illegally in 2016. Sure some of that is just bad heuristic responses to polling, but there's still some underlying awfulness there.

[StrangeSox]

Interesting twist for the terrorist Nazi car driver, he can't be represented by the public defenders' office because one of the people injured was the relative of someone who works in that office.

[bmags]

Interesting twist for the terrorist Nazi car driver, he can't be represented by the public defenders' office because one of the people injured was the relative of someone who works in that office.

 

I don't understand this. Why would it matter?

[StrangeSox]

I don't understand this. Why would it matter?

 

PD office is citing a conflict of interest and that because of the personal connection to one of the victims, they couldn't provide the appropriate defense for the attacker.

[Soxbadger]

I don't understand this. Why would it matter?

 

Conflict of interest.

[StrangeSox]

Trump: I'm 'seriously considering' pardoning Joe Arpaio

[Quin]

When a BLM person walks into a white church and shoots it up or drives over a crowd of white supremacists, then we can talk many/both sides.

 

Until then? Nah

[LittleHurt05]

FYI nobody in this thread has said this!

 

Not in those exact words, but I've already lost count of all the things I've been accused of doing and thinking via blanket stereotyping. And I didn't even vote for Trump!

[bmags]

Conflict of interest.

 

Oh, yeah. Duhh.

[Steve9347]

Trump just condemned racism and called the KKK, neo-nazis, and white supremacists "repugnant". Bannon will be out by the end of the week, I'd guess.

 

I know there was no real feeling behind it and he was only doing it because he had to, but TBH it was a good speech.

[StrangeSox]

Trump just condemned racism and called the KKK, neo-nazis, and white supremacists "repugnant". Bannon will be out by the end of the week, I'd guess.

 

I know there was no real feeling behind it and he was only doing it because he had to, but TBH it was a good speech.

 

Two days too late, though, for a man who'll insult and attack anyone he feels like by name at the drop of a hat.

[Dick Allen]

 

 

Ex-KKK Leader David Duke Has Meltdown After Trump Condemns White Supremacists In Charlottesville

 

HuffPost

Hayley Miller

HuffPostAugust 14, 2017

 

Former KKK leader David Duke was none too pleased that President Donald Trump on Monday finally got around to condemning extremist groups by name ― including including neo-Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan ― for the deadly weekend protest in Charlottesville, Virginia.

 

Minutes after Trump’s speech, Duke lashed out in a series of tweets, claiming the president had been manipulated by the media.

 

“It’s amazing to see how the media is able to bully the President of the United States into going along with their FAKE NEWS narrative,” Duke tweeted.

 

Soon after that, in an anti-Semitic, racist Periscope video rant, Duke spoke directly to Trump, claiming white nationalists abhor violence. He said “it’s just ridiculous” that the president felt he had to make Monday’s statement.

 

“President Trump, please, for God’s sake, don’t feel like you need to say these things,” Duke admonished in the video. “It’s not going to do you any good.”

[bmags]

For much of my life, David Duke was that example about how "the way things used to be" weren't so far off. He had run for governor when I was just 5-6.

 

Now, while true he is probably just as far off from being a politician as before, has this stupid, stupid relevancy again. And it could have been ended so long ago.

[LittleHurt05]

My only memories of David Duke were from SNL

[bmags]

My only memories of David Duke were from SNL

 

Maybe it's one of those tricks of memory, but I honestly think I remember watching the famous Tim Russert interview, or maybe it was just a parody on SNL.

[Brian]

All the "Yeah, but Obama..." rhetoric is nauseating.

Trump should've came out that day and said Nazi/White Supremacist. Then he could've told everyone, "See, I labeled things right away, unlike Obama."

Now he is no different, which isn't what he wants.

[GoSox05]

Maybe it's one of those tricks of memory, but I honestly think I remember watching the famous Tim Russert interview, or maybe it was just a parody on SNL.

 

 

He got relatively close to becoming a U.S Senator.

[southsider2k5]

All the "Yeah, but Obama..." rhetoric is nauseating.

Trump should've came out that day and said Nazi/White Supremacist. Then he could've told everyone, "See, I labeled things right away, unlike Obama."

Now he is no different, which isn't what he wants.

 

Its all political. Despite statements to the contrary Obama would gain nothing for using the phrase "Islamic Terrorism" and Trump gains nothing for labeling these people as racists either. The people who are screaming the loudest in both cases for these phrases to be used will absolutely dismiss them as something they should have done anyways therefore as worthless, and that they didn't really mean it anyway.

 

It is all an effort to gain political points out of these messes.

[StrangeSox]

Nazi rallies and nazi violence is inherently political in nature.

 

e: Trump may not have "gained" anything from liberals and leftists if he had come out and forcefully denounced Nazi terrorists on the day they killed someone, but he also wouldn't have been called out by numerous Republicans and the entire media for not making what should be the easiest denunciation ever, Nazis=bad. He blew that very, very badly.

Edited August 14, 2017 by StrangeSox

[bmags]

Its all political. Despite statements to the contrary Obama would gain nothing for using the phrase "Islamic Terrorism" and Trump gains nothing for labeling these people as racists either. The people who are screaming the loudest in both cases for these phrases to be used will absolutely dismiss them as something they should have done anyways therefore as worthless, and that they didn't really mean it anyway.

 

It is all an effort to gain political points out of these messes.

 

I think there is quite a large gap in logic behind the Islamic Terrorism labeling (which the military and state dept both advised against to prevent the appearance of a war of civilizations) and calling out White Supremacists and literal Nazis. Nazis for obvious reasons, but I have not seen case made that calling out White Supremacists makes White people feel like you are calling them out.

[StrangeSox]

I think there is quite a large gap in logic behind the Islamic Terrorism labeling (which the military and state dept both advised against to prevent the appearance of a war of civilizations) and calling out White Supremacists and literal Nazis. Nazis for obvious reasons, but I have not seen case made that calling out White Supremacists makes White people feel like you are calling them out.

 

That's an important distinction.

 

We don't want to be waging a war on the ideology of Islam. We don't want to present a front that makes it look like that's what we're doing.

 

Waging a war against white supremacy and literal neo-nazis is fine, though. We absolutely should be looking to stamp down that ideology.