President Donald Trump: The Thread

[illinilaw08]

Can you guys let me know if I have this right? If damning info is released about a republican, we are only to look at the damning info and pay no mind to how it was obtained or leaked. But if damning info is released about a democrat we are to ignore the actual info and only complain about the methods used to collect or release it?

 

Wikileaks reveals lies and corruption of epic proportions, must ignore and investigate wikileaks

Two times Trumps taxes are illegally leaked, ignore the crime and focus on the taxes

Mike Flynn is illegally unmasked and his call with Russian ambassador is made public, ignore illegal unmasking and force Flynn out

Trumps phone calls with Australian and Mexican leaders are leaked, ignore the leak and focus on the calls

Obama admin is using the IC to spy on political opponents during transition, Comey lies about it under oath, Trump and his transition team are illegally unmasked on "incidental surveillance" but we should ignore that and investigate Nunes for not covering it up.

 

Does that about sum it up?

 

We have very different definitions of "damning info."

 

I'm not sure what "damning info" came out of Wikileaks that revealed "lies and corruption of epic proportions."

 

At its worst, Nunes said that the Trump transition team was caught up in incidental, legal, surveillance. There's nothing that says Comey lied under oath, that the Obama administration was actively spying on the Trump transition team, or that Trump and his transition team were illegally unmasked.

 

Contrast that with the "damning info" that would be a presidential campaign colluded with a foreign government to have said foreign government interfere with the United States Presidential election on its behalf.

 

One of those things is damning info. The others are definitely not.

[RockRaines]

I mean, I thought everyone was aware that Trump "leaked" his own tax return, right?

His camp and Russia also "leaked" those "Epic" lies.

His team has been under investigation for ties to foreign governments for almost a year. His campaign manager has been linked to them for a decade. I understand Trump's goal of blocking out the facts with trying to find out who in his own camp leaks info, but it still doesnt change the fact this stuff happened. Whats more surprising is the ability for regular people to be completely duped by his propaganda.

[RockRaines]

Trump will move on & leave Obamacare in place if he doesn't get AHCA vote, per Mulvaney

 

 

 

The Art of the Deal

Fulfilling promises.

[LittleHurt05]

Turns out Trump was right on this one. Shocked no one posted it. Not a Trump fan myself, but if you're going to rip him for something you thought he was wrong about, call it both ways.

 

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/us/jc...mb-threats.html

 

***cough cough*** Post #2551

[StrangeSox]

If you guys disagree, feel free to dispute his actual points. I know you guys are both in the group that agrees with each other uniformally but at least dispute his points. These responses aren't constructive in anyway.

Why? People have responded to his silly claims in the past with substance and even in this particular case, but he never even acknowledges responses.

 

Unless you're taking some of his silly claims in that part seriously, what do you think is actually worthy of a response? Are you familiar with what a Gish gallop is and why trying to debate against it is a losing effort?

[RockRaines]

If you guys disagree, feel free to dispute his actual points. I know you guys are both in the group that agrees with each other uniformally but at least dispute his points. These responses aren't constructive in anyway.

Why dispute nonsense? It's more accurate to laugh.

 

But I did make a related post. Thanks

[RockRaines]

Remember when Obamacare was rushed with nothing but backroom deals hidden from the public? Well, at least trump proved he could top that.

[StrangeSox]

We Redacted Everything That's Not a Verifiably True Statement From Trump's Time Interview About Truth

Edited March 24, 2017 by StrangeSox

[southsider2k5]

Why? People have responded to his silly claims in the past with substance and even in this particular case, but he never even acknowledges responses.

 

Unless you're taking some of his silly claims in that part seriously, what do you think is actually worthy of a response? Are you familiar with what a Gish gallop is and why trying to debate against it is a losing effort?

 

So, by adding a post to this thread acknowledging these guidelines, you are stating the following...

 

1. I will not insult other posters, directly or indirectly

2. I will not threaten anyone, even in jest

3. I will not bait people or push them over the line (a.k.a. pushing their buttons)

4. I will not post statements for the purpose of angering others

5. I will not prod posters repeatedly on a subject or chase them across topics to make a point

6. I will try to make posts that actually add to the discussion at hand

[StrangeSox]

Cool, now apply #6 to his drive-by posts full of silly claims and how he doesn't actually bother responding to anyone.

[StrangeSox]

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@danprimack

Mnuchin says concerns about AI affecting U.S. jobs is so far away "it's not even on our radar screen.... 50-100 more years" away. WOW.

 

50-100 years before artificial intelligence affects US jobs seems like a pretty absurd claim to make, given how heavily automation has already impacted US manufacturing.

[caulfield12]

The amount of legitimate debate at SoxTalk...might STILL be above the negligible amount of genuine engagement and civility that's being exhibited in the House of Representatives right now.

 

 

And Mr. Munchin, look at all the quantitative/AIish trading programs that have already replaced human fund managers and brokers on Wall Street. Here in China, the high school students are talking about AI and virtual reality nearly every day...is America really falling so far and so fast that students have forgotten how to dream?

Edited March 24, 2017 by caulfield12

[StrangeSox]

Hey look, Trump was right again. Obama will go down with quite the legacy of surveillance. Such a dumpster president.

 

Nunes reiterated this morning how wrong this claim is.

 

Bradd Jaffy ✔ @BraddJaffy

“There was no wiretapping of Trump Tower. That didn’t happen,” Devin Nunes just reiterated after new revelations this week

9:38 AM - 24 Mar 2017

[RockRaines]

50-100 years before artificial intelligence affects US jobs seems like a pretty absurd claim to make, given how heavily automation has already impacted US manufacturing.

Automation or the elimination of industries has happened for a century. The lack of desire to adapt to the changing world is shocking to me. Of course we are going to have AI, we already do. It's eliminated thousand of tech jobs in the last two decades. Fortunately a lot of those people found other ways to use their skills and drive.

[illinilaw08]

I missed that but you are one of the fair posters here so I'll give credit where it's due. Funny the same people who called trump names for his comments had no reply to you but had more names for Trump right after your post.

 

So, the problem with that argument is that it ignores the context of what was actually happening at the time Trump made his comments.

 

People in Jewish communities were scared. Notwithstanding the threats, the Trump administration's rise has coincided with an increased visual presence of white supremacists, etc. The critique of Trump was more about his response not taking the concerns of those communities seriously. Even assuming Trump knew that the threats were hoaxes from within the Jewish community, coming out and saying that without supporting evidence doesn't do anything to help the communities who are actually scared.

 

Trump later came out with a more forceful message condemning any acts of hate against Jewish communities, but the President's words, taking the context into account, were still bad and not helpful.

[StrangeSox]

Nunes decided to cancel the March 28th open hearing, but he didn't tell his fellow committee members before announcing it at a press conference today. Dem committee members are furious.

 

https://twitter.com/tomlobianco/status/845293119335747584

[southsider2k5]

So, the problem with that argument is that it ignores the context of what was actually happening at the time Trump made his comments.

 

People in Jewish communities were scared. Notwithstanding the threats, the Trump administration's rise has coincided with an increased visual presence of white supremacists, etc. The critique of Trump was more about his response not taking the concerns of those communities seriously. Even assuming Trump knew that the threats were hoaxes from within the Jewish community, coming out and saying that without supporting evidence doesn't do anything to help the communities who are actually scared.

 

Trump later came out with a more forceful message condemning any acts of hate against Jewish communities, but the President's words, taking the context into account, were still bad and not helpful.

 

It amazes me how if you swap out Muslim extremist for Jewish here, you have the same thing that went on in the last administration, with the parties (as always) flipped

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[StrangeSox]

It amazes me how if you swap out Muslim extremist for Jewish here, you have the same thing that went on in the last administration, with the parties (as always) flipped

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So, the problem with that argument is that it ignores the context of what was actually happening at the time Obama made his comments.

 

People in Muslim Extremist communities were scared. Notwithstanding the threats, the Obama administration's rise has coincided with an increased visual presence of white supremacists, etc. The critique of Obama was more about his response not taking the concerns of those communities seriously. Even assuming Obama knew that the threats were hoaxes from within the Muslim Extremist community, coming out and saying that without supporting evidence doesn't do anything to help the communities who are actually scared.

 

Obama later came out with a more forceful message condemning any acts of hate against Muslim Extremist communities, but the President's words, taking the context into account, were still bad and not helpful.

Edited March 24, 2017 by StrangeSox

[illinilaw08]

They were in support of those being supposedly threatened and accurate in hindsight. The dissenters were inaccurate, over the top and more hate-fueled than logic based.

 

I don't understand what you are saying here. Are you saying that Jewish communities who were scared by bomb threats, and were alarmed by the President hand waving them away as a hoax were wrong to want a stronger condemnation of the threats by the President?

 

Once again, the point here is that the President's words matter. The President's role in a situation like this is NOT to make an unsubstantiated (at the time) assertion that maybe the threats were coming from inside the community. It is to condemn the threats, and condemn hate against a group generally. His response did nothing to calm the legitimate fears of people in those communities.

[illinilaw08]

It amazes me how if you swap out Muslim extremist for Jewish here, you have the same thing that went on in the last administration, with the parties (as always) flipped

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Yeah, I'm not sure what the argument here is either. Could you please elaborate on what you consider to be the similarities between Trump's response to the JCC threats, and the Obama administration's response to Muslim extremists?

[StrangeSox]

I don't understand what you are saying here. Are you saying that Jewish communities who were scared by bomb threats, and were alarmed by the President hand waving them away as a hoax were wrong to want a stronger condemnation of the threats by the President?

 

Once again, the point here is that the President's words matter. The President's role in a situation like this is NOT to make an unsubstantiated (at the time) assertion that maybe the threats were coming from inside the community. It is to condemn the threats, and condemn hate against a group generally. His response did nothing to calm the legitimate fears of people in those communities.

 

Don't forget, the dozens of bomb threats against JCC's aren't the only uptick in antisemitism and bigotry/white supremacism in general we've been seeing anyway.

[StrangeSox]

This week, President Donald Trump quietly appointed anti-LGBTQ activist Roger Severino to lead the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Civil Rights (OCR), an office whose work he has actively opposed.

 

In his previous role as Director of the DeVos Center for Religion and Civil Society for the Heritage Foundation, Severino spoke out against the civil rights protections he will now be tasked with upholding and supported the wholesale repeal of the Affordable Care Act.

 

“By appointing Mr. Severino to enforce the life-saving protections that he has made his personal mission to dismantle, the Trump administration has once again put the fox in charge of the hen house,” said Mara Keisling, executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality (NCTE), in a statement.

 

While at the Heritage Foundation, he authored a report opposing the OCR’s implementation of a portion of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) known as the 1557 rule, which prohibited discrimination based on race, color, national origin, age, disability, and sex in federally-funded health programs.

[StrangeSox]

So Flynn might be in a bit of trouble...

 

Ex-CIA Director: Mike Flynn and Turkish Officials Discussed Removal of Erdogan Foe From U.S.

 

 

 

[StrangeSox]

After Promising Not To Talk Business With Father, Eric Trump Says He'll Give Him Financial Reports

 

Trump's Vegas Partner Says Business Is Not Dividing Profits From Foreign Governments As Promised

[RockRaines]

It amazes me how if you swap out Muslim extremist for Jewish here, you have the same thing that went on in the last administration, with the parties (as always) flipped

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If there is one benefit here it's that everyone is becoming more aware that our representatives suck.